some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

all i know that hes a donk and since its ongame i dont bluff or semibluff there until im against a reasonable thinking player and i doubt he was one but see...

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: 5.25BB

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

on this board vs most u have little to no fold equity. BB is not folding a pair here just cuz u raise the turn, all ur real hands raise the flop anyways so that line would look pretty bogus. U do have a ton of equity so ur bluff doesnt cost u much of anything to maybe fold out 6x 8x once in a blue moon but i just call and fold the river UI like u did.

I actually probably mite have raise freecarded the flop here but it doesnt matter much either way some people like always do that some people never do i duno whats best really, depends how likely bb is to 3bet or donk the turn or how likely he is to still lead a club T or J turn if u just call the flop.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

do you already call pf or raise sometimes??

i raise de flop for free card and win two small bet more for my flush

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

you mean i should raise preflop or what?

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

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i raise de flop for free card and win two small bet more for my flush

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raising does potentially cost u two more bets tho when u hit later in the hand when someone mite have lead into u but now check since u raised the flop. not saying i know which line is best but their is that con to raising now cant overlook that.

I raise preflop if I think BB is likely to fold a large range and it gets me good fold equity vs the limper postflop. otherwise i just overlimp JTs as well.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

PF depends on the players. I like a flop raise for value+free card. IMO the value and a shot at a free card outweigh the implied odds you get from just calling.

EDIT: you dont have much FE here because no one folds a pair ever.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

pf is close, i can see a raise or limp here depending on the limper and the blinds.

i probably raise flop too. you have tons of equity here. usually atleast one of your OCs is live, and often both. plus free cards are nice.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

U have a big hand and your equity most be good. If they wont fold, I would raise and take the freecard on the turn if I miss.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

I raise preflop

I raise the flop for value/free card.

I call the turn against 95% of the players on Ongame.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

whats the thing in raising preflop if 1. its very unlikely to get it HU and 2. you will looked up by any pair?

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

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1. its very unlikely to get it HU and 2. you will looked up by any pair

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You have position with a good hand to play multiway and if you get it HU it's very nice. People seem to think its close between calling and raising here but i can say rather confidently I have never called in this spot(leak?). That flop= $ raise it up.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

Raise preflop. Raise the flop. I hate the way this hand was played.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

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I raise preflop

I raise the flop for value/free card.


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Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

IMO, this hand isn't about villain's fold equity. This hand is about hero's equity preflop + flop.

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

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IMO, this hand isn't about villain's fold equity. This hand is about hero's equity preflop + flop.

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Exactly, title of this thread should be changed to "Some equity I missed here."

Re: some potential fold equity i missed here?
 

no free card raise?