UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

Sorry, never have hand history for these.

Blinds 150-300
Hero has 14000
Villain has 15500

UTG shortstack goes all in for 3300.
Hero flat calls in MP.
Villain calls from BB.
Pot is ~10k

Flop comes 5 5 3 rainbow.

Villain leads with 5200.
Hero calls.

Turn is another 3.
Villain goes all in.
Hero folds.


Did I play this poorly? What do you do on the flop? The turn?

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

I shove pre-flop. Flat calling for 25% of your stack in MP is asking for all sorts of trouble.

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

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I shove pre-flop.

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Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

Well...you've gotten yourself into this position...just gotta chase it down & hope they have 66-TT & you haven't donked yourself into A5 or A3. QQ-AA, que sera sera. Also possibility of AT-AK and putting you on an ace and wanting it all for themself.

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

Yea... this is pretty bad.

Shove preflop.

Folding the turn is inconcievable as nothing has changed from the flop to the turn. Did you really not expect him to fire another barrel there?

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

I'm sorry, I left out some important information. The avg stack at the time was ~7000, my 14k put me 3rd on the leaderboard, villain was 2nd. He was the only one in a position to call behind me, just about everyone else was in a push/fold position. That's why i just called PF. There was no need to raise, it doesn't accomplish anything.

My thinking on the flop is that from his POV, i could have easily been calling with AK, AQ, and medium pairs. If he called with that same range, it's not a bad spot to try to push me off, getting 2:1 on his bluff, assuming it is one, and even AK or AQ has a good shot of being ahead of the all-in player. I called with the intention of folding to a push on the turn, b/c unless he's suicidal or has the best hand, he's not going to double-barrel the only player at the table that can cripple him. If he checks turn, i intend to push.

Thoughts?

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

I don't have a problem with the pre-flop call. I'd shove the flop though. Folding turn is pretty bad.

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

How the hell do you fold there? Your 50/50 ahead and you put lots of chips in already. That may be one of the worst folds I've ever heard of. I actually think you are ahead there about 75% of the time. I would have raised PF after the UTG went all in, just to isolate, but that was the flop you wanted and Villain is putting his chips in so get yours in too.

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

So no one here considers the big-stack factor? I don't think the average player would try to continue a bluff, and I don't think they would think 66-TT were any good after a flat call of such a big bet on the flop (in relation to stacks). My read on this guy was that he was solid enough give up on any of these hands after the flop action. That's why I was comfortable folding turn. Well, not comfortable, but confident I was folding second best. Is anybody out there with me on this?

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

I think the preflop call is fine. Cold-calling the flop with the intention of folding any turn is terrible. Just shove the flop.

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

Insta shove pf

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

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There was no need to raise, it doesn't accomplish anything.


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seems, in retrospect, like it might have?

Re: UB 100+9 - Tough Spot With JJ
 

FWIW, villain had QQ, and i was lucky to escape with chips. I feel like I lost about as little as I could lose in this spot.

Not to be results-oriented, but it was for this exact kind of situation that I played the hand as i did. Once he takes a second shot for all his chips on the turn, I think I'm beat 75% of the time. Even though pot odds dictate a call based on those odds, there's something to be said for avoiding getting knocked out when I can still at that point preserve a slightly below average stack. When he does check the turn, his range is wide enough that I have no problem pushing, and "Oh well" when I'm beat.

I'm kind of surprised that no one is with me even a little on this.