need help in omaha h/l
 

anyone here specialists in omaha h/l? I need help to improve my game, because I am going to play in a 15/30 holdem / omaha 8 game tonight. I'm a ringer in holdem. I tend to be drawing to hands that seem to be good in omaha but are just dangerous. anyone wanna gimme some tips? or talk to me on aim, it is kicknowledge11.

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Two things I would tell someone who doesnt know anything:

Don't even think about drawing to anything that isnt the straight up nizzles

If you hand doesnt have an A in it - dont play it - Just play tiiiight

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Two things I would tell someone who doesnt know anything:

Don't even think about drawing to anything that isnt the straight up nizzles

If you hand doesnt have an A in it - dont play it - Just play tiiiight

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so you're saying dont even bother playing a hand like Kqjt double suited in late position with several limpers?

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Two things I would tell someone who doesnt know anything:

Don't even think about drawing to anything that isnt the straight up nizzles

If you hand doesnt have an A in it - dont play it - Just play tiiiight

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so you're saying dont even bother playing a hand like Kqjt double suited in late position with several limpers?

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If you are a total noob then no just fold. You will make numerous desicions on the later streets that will kill you because of your lack of experience.

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anyone here specialists in omaha h/l? I need help to improve my game, because I am going to play in a 15/30 holdem / omaha 8 game tonight. I'm a ringer in holdem. I tend to be drawing to hands that seem to be good in omaha but are just dangerous. anyone wanna gimme some tips? or talk to me on aim, it is kicknowledge11.

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ABSOLUTE #1 ADVICE THAT MOST NEWBIES NEGLECT:

NEVER PLAY MIDDLE CONNECTORS, i.e. 4567, 89TJ, 3456, etc.. suited, doublesuited, regardless.

that is absolutely all you need to know.

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even 9 t q j? 89tj seems to be higher connectors rather than lower connectors

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The main problem as i understand is that these middle connectors tend to make the nutstraight only on boards that qualify low hands, so you wont scoop very often. And drawing to straights for half the pot is usually suicidal.

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KQJT ds is certainly playable, for anyone, from LP. I would recommend mucking QJT9 though because it needs middle cards too often to make the nuts.

My advice for someone coming from LHE is don't get married to your starting hands. Really evalute how well your hand has fit the flop.

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Never draw to anything if the board is paired.

KQJT is marginally profitable BTW. It is an alright hand but you get it so seldom and its profit is relatively small, so playing it isn't essential for being a winning player.

The reason people are saying "don't play KQJT or QJT9" is because even if they are played perfectly, they don't turn a huge profit. Playing them badly will be a diasaster, though. It's probably better just not to distract yourself with those types of hands--leave those to the grinders who play 5k hands a week.

More beginner rules:

Never draw to anything if low is possible and you only have high potential (that's right, not even a nut flush draw).

Never play pocket pairs smaller than JJ unless accompanied by A2 or A3.

Pocket pairs 22-88 are just completely, absolutely worthless, and usually detract from the value of a starting hand.

Don't get into a reraising battle with a non-nut full house.




You probably won't be a hugely winning player playing this conservatively, but following these rules will make it much less likely you blow it completely during the O/8 orbits.

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even 9 t q j? 89tj seems to be higher connectors rather than lower connectors

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yes, even those

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Soo.. Trip report? were you able to avoid major disaster during the O8 and clean up in the holdem?

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Most of the above advice is very good for a quick crash lesson in O8. However if you are planning on playing this game on a regular basis it would be a good idea to do something to speed up the learning curve. Bladwin's section in Super System 2 should work well. Along with learning more about O8 you can use the book to brush up on hold em, or learn a little more about some other poker games(7 stud or hi lo).

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Hello old friend,

Maybe you think it is wise to offer such obvious advice, but I doubt you'd be a winner if all the people in your game read this.

You also seem to have a hard time playing versus these trash hands. Let me educate everyone.

$3/$6 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Dealt to Schlemazel [6h Qh Kh 9d]
davebreal raises to $18
Schlemazel calls $12
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c Kd]
Schlemazel checks
davebreal bets $18
Schlemazel calls $18
*** TURN *** [4c 2c Kd] [Qs]
Schlemazel checks
davebreal bets $54
Schlemazel raises to $237
davebreal calls $183
*** RIVER *** [4c 2c Kd Qs][Jd]
Schlemazel bets $180
davebreal raises to $327, and is all in
Schlemazel calls $147
*** SHOW DOWN ***
davebreal shows [6c Ad 3h Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Schlemazel shows [6h Qh Kh 9d] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Schlemazel wins the pot ($1,200) with two pair, Kings and Queens[/b]
davebreal adds $600

Nits get crushed in plo8.

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This is very untrue. Good high wraps have approximately 1/2 the EV of good aces for me. Over 300k hands.

I don't feel like educating as much as dave, but KJJ8 is the very slight winning type hand you speak of, KQJTds is almost the nuts against two nits in a raised pot.

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KQJT is marginally profitable BTW. It is an alright hand but you get it so seldom and its profit is relatively small, so playing it isn't essential for being a winning player.


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If you mianly play PLO8 and can thus speculate on the cheap, then KQJT is mandatory to play.

I was just letting OP know that open folding that hand is perfectly fine for an inexperienced player.

Anything else you want to nitpick?

Edit to add:
Playing KJJ8 in a full ring LO8 game is just terrible.

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Lets not forget about AA.
AA without help sucks in O8.
Even one nut flush draw is just marginal.
i.e. AsKsAd8c is a very marginal holding.
Maybe someday I'll just fold it and be done with it.

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Hello old friend,

Maybe you think it is wise to offer such obvious advice, but I doubt you'd be a winner if all the people in your game read this.

You also seem to have a hard time playing versus these trash hands. Let me educate everyone.

$3/$6 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Dealt to Schlemazel [6h Qh Kh 9d]
davebreal raises to $18
Schlemazel calls $12
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c Kd]
Schlemazel checks
davebreal bets $18
Schlemazel calls $18
*** TURN *** [4c 2c Kd] [Qs]
Schlemazel checks
davebreal bets $54
Schlemazel raises to $237
davebreal calls $183
*** RIVER *** [4c 2c Kd Qs][Jd]
Schlemazel bets $180
davebreal raises to $327, and is all in
Schlemazel calls $147
*** SHOW DOWN ***
davebreal shows [6c Ad 3h Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Schlemazel shows [6h Qh Kh 9d] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
Schlemazel wins the pot ($1,200) with two pair, Kings and Queens[/b]
davebreal adds $600

Nits get crushed in plo8.

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I fail to see any point to posting this hand, as you:
a) called a raise with a dominated and trashy hand
b) peeled on the flop when you were extremely way behind
c) raised on the turn when i clearly could not fold a monster 2 way-hand.


keep being a retard and posting your empty "brag" posts, and I will go through PTO for '06 and '07 and post every one of your losing hands I have on record, continue ridiculing you for being on permanent tilt, and finally, probably knock you out if ever see you in real life...

later,
dave

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here's your win/loss roster in '07 so far
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h2...lOpponents.jpg

..and one hand, just for fun:

FullTiltPoker Game #2069088969: Table Holy Cross - $2/$4 - Pot Limit
Omaha Hi/Lo - 19:09:39 ET - 2007/03/25
Seat 1: davebreal ($569.95)
Seat 2: KPETEH ($101.40)
Seat 3: Sitka Charley ($376.75), is sitting out
Seat 4: I Play Pokher ($389)
Seat 5: Yasttgu ($268.35)
Seat 6: hobea ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: Schlemazel ($613.15)
Seat 8: carpet47 ($785.40)
Seat 9: 170mmachamp ($398.50)
Yasttgu posts the small blind of $2
Schlemazel posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davebreal [9c 8d Tc Qh]
carpet47 folds
170mmachamp calls $4
hobea adds $160
davebreal folds
KPETEH folds
I Play Pokher calls $4
Yasttgu folds
Schlemazel raises to $18
170mmachamp raises to $60
I Play Pokher folds
Schlemazel calls $42
*** FLOP *** [5d 4d Kc]
Schlemazel checks
170mmachamp bets $126
Schlemazel raises to $504
170mmachamp calls $212.50, and is all in
Schlemazel shows [As Jc 4s 3c]
170mmachamp shows [Ac 2h 3s Ah]
Uncalled bet of $165.50 returned to Schlemazel
*** TURN *** [5d 4d Kc] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 4d Kc 5h] [5c]
Schlemazel shows three of a kind, Fives, for high
170mmachamp shows a full house, Fives full of Aces, for high
170mmachamp wins the pot ($800) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $803 | Rake $3
Board: [5d 4d Kc 5h 5c]
Seat 1: davebreal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: KPETEH didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sitka Charley is sitting out
Seat 4: I Play Pokher (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Yasttgu (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: hobea is sitting out
Seat 7: Schlemazel (big blind) showed [As Jc 4s 3c] and lost with HI:
three of a kind, Fives
Seat 8: carpet47 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: 170mmachamp showed [Ac 2h 3s Ah] and won ($800) with HI: a
full house, Fives full of Aces

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Soo.. Trip report? were you able to avoid major disaster during the O8 and clean up in the holdem?

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In fact, I did better in 08 then holdem. I won a very decent pot with K238, making kings full in a multi way raised pot. In holdem, I took some coolers, and misplayed some pockets. Overall, I lost 200 for the night, not too happy but it coulda been a lot worse ...

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here's your win/loss roster in '07 so far
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h2...lOpponents.jpg



..and one hand, just for fun:

FullTiltPoker Game #2069088969: Table Holy Cross - $2/$4 - Pot Limit
Omaha Hi/Lo - 19:09:39 ET - 2007/03/25
Seat 1: davebreal ($569.95)
Seat 2: KPETEH ($101.40)
Seat 3: Sitka Charley ($376.75), is sitting out
Seat 4: I Play Pokher ($389)
Seat 5: Yasttgu ($268.35)
Seat 6: hobea ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: Schlemazel ($613.15)
Seat 8: carpet47 ($785.40)
Seat 9: 170mmachamp ($398.50)
Yasttgu posts the small blind of $2
Schlemazel posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davebreal [9c 8d Tc Qh]
carpet47 folds
170mmachamp calls $4
hobea adds $160
davebreal folds
KPETEH folds
I Play Pokher calls $4
Yasttgu folds
Schlemazel raises to $18
170mmachamp raises to $60
I Play Pokher folds
Schlemazel calls $42
*** FLOP *** [5d 4d Kc]
Schlemazel checks
170mmachamp bets $126
Schlemazel raises to $504
170mmachamp calls $212.50, and is all in
Schlemazel shows [As Jc 4s 3c]
170mmachamp shows [Ac 2h 3s Ah]
Uncalled bet of $165.50 returned to Schlemazel
*** TURN *** [5d 4d Kc] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 4d Kc 5h] [5c]
Schlemazel shows three of a kind, Fives, for high
170mmachamp shows a full house, Fives full of Aces, for high
170mmachamp wins the pot ($800) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $803 | Rake $3
Board: [5d 4d Kc 5h 5c]
Seat 1: davebreal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: KPETEH didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sitka Charley is sitting out
Seat 4: I Play Pokher (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Yasttgu (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: hobea is sitting out
Seat 7: Schlemazel (big blind) showed [As Jc 4s 3c] and lost with HI:
three of a kind, Fives
Seat 8: carpet47 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: 170mmachamp showed [Ac 2h 3s Ah] and won ($800) with HI: a
full house, Fives full of Aces

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lol, how do you compile those stats? kinda funny ud embarrass him with those stats