Can I call this push?
 

$5 Freezeout down to last 200 players 135 get paid .The pusher had pushed first in the last 2 hands and nobody called him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed)
UTG (t12232)
UTG+1 (t8955)
MP1 (t6479)
MP2 (t12651)
MP3 (t2902)
CO (t3587)
Hero (t3315)
SB (t3886)
BB (t9294)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t3587</font>, Hero ???

Re: Can I call this push?
 

No I'd fold it, I think an M of 11 is a little too high to call this- how's he been playing up to last two hands? His hand may well be better than you think as he is pushing 3 times in a row and must expect your calling range to be dropping quickly.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

No. Fold it. Wait for a better spot. BB may very well feel obligated to call or be sick of the pushing.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

You could...but I wouldn't.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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It's good that it worked out for you. I think you were just letting us know results or what you did.

BUT I thought ekkk, don't think/justify like a donkey. You know, the ones that call your AA w/93o and snap you. "It was a good call. I hit and won didn't I?"

What I trying to say is focus on the big picture. Was you call positive or negative? Can you make it consistently? Will it be profitable? Was it the right call for this point in the tourney? Et cetera.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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Honestly, you probably had a better read on this player than we did (than you gave us). If he really came off to you as willingly shoving hands like these, great read and good call. Given the info. you gave us, he didn't seem that way, thus the fold recommendations.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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It's good that it worked out for you. I think you were just letting us know results or what you did.

BUT I thought ekkk, don't think/justify like a donkey. You know, the ones that call your AA w/93o and snap you. "It was a good call. I hit and won didn't I?"

What I trying to say is focus on the big picture. Was you call positive or negative? Can you make it consistently? Will it be profitable? Was it the right call for this point in the tourney? Et cetera.

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Yeah I know,I was just giving the result incase you were interested.
Thanks for your help. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Can I call this push?
 

If K9s is the bottom of his range, you should not be calling this push.

Hand 0: 55.243% 50.60% 04.65% 3649373 335381.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 44.757% 40.11% 04.65% 2893041 335391.50 { ATo }

If K9s is dead center of his range or if his range is 50% or more you probably should be calling this push (pushing 3 times in a row can certainly happen even with only pushing top 15% cards)

Hand 0: 45.037% 41.84% 03.20% 1934010 147975.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }
Hand 1: 54.963% 51.77% 03.20% 2392983 147983.50 { ATo }

(And there is 300 in overlay, or like 8% in blinds, you are however calling off your whole stack, so your chips and chair are worth more than what you stand to gain)

Now, based on your read, which was it, and are you currently way better than the rest of the field (in which case you might muck even better cards than ATo here)

Re: Can I call this push?
 

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If K9s is the bottom of his range, you should not be calling this push.

Hand 0: 55.243% 50.60% 04.65% 3649373 335381.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 44.757% 40.11% 04.65% 2893041 335391.50 { ATo }

If K9s is dead center of his range or if his range is 50% or more you probably should be calling this push (pushing 3 times in a row can certainly happen even with only pushing top 15% cards)

Hand 0: 45.037% 41.84% 03.20% 1934010 147975.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }
Hand 1: 54.963% 51.77% 03.20% 2392983 147983.50 { ATo }

(And there is 300 in overlay, or like 8% in blinds, you are however calling off your whole stack, so your chips and chair are worth more than what you stand to gain)

Now, based on your read, which was it, and are you currently way better than the rest of the field (in which case you might muck even better cards than ATo here)

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Well I didn't really have any reads on him that I remember,and I must learn to do all that maths stuff you just posted up! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Can I call this push?
 

nice post 4card

Re: Can I call this push?
 

I use pokerstove, obviously.

I put in ATo for player one. Hit preflop page for player two and type in 14 percent in the bottom corner (k9s is just added there, about (you can tell using the slider bar).

The results show your ATo has about 45% equity in this hand, or is exected to return to you of .45 x pot size over an averaged amount of a zillion hands.

Then you double that, and you can see how you fare against a hand thats in the middle of his range... You find ATo has 54% equity against a range of the top 28%.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

Going on just a gut feeling here and not with much information on villian, but unless villian is just going on a rampage here and raising all in on every hand, the 3rd all-in always makes me nervous.

Any kind of thinking player has to know that your calling range is dropping and his pushing range should be getting tighter by the 3rd attempt. Let me stress the word "any" because I don't think this is higher thinking.

Obviously this is not what was going on here... BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. This is what would have been going through my mind if I was in your shoes. A,10 is not good enough with that kind of thinking. It also doesn't stack up well using the math as you have seen.

Re: Can I call this push?
 

Well this is something new to me,and I'll think about it the next time I'm in this situation,but I'm always going to concerned about whether or not the player is thinking along these lines too;do the rest of you just err with caution in these cases?

Re: Can I call this push?
 

i actually thought this was a fairly easy call when i first read the OP.