Find the 15% leaks.
 

Most people here seem to agree that you can teach nearly anyone to beat the 6.50s for 15% in 8 hours, and since "there is no variance," any breakeven player must have huge leaks in his game.

I'm a breakeven player over 2000 6.50s, having moved down from the 16s where I was 4% for >3000 tournies before the latest catastrophic downswing. Here are the hand histories for 22 tournies. They haven't been carefully selected to prove any point, they're just the last 22 I played. The only thing not typical about them is I didn't bust out the first or second time I pushed, and I actually won some all-ins, so there is a finish distribution of 2/2/4, and you can see how I normally play through all levels.

Feel free to take a look and tell me what I am doing that is so far wrong. If you were using these 22 tournies to teach a new player how to easily beat the 6.50s, what would you tell him to do differently than I'm already doing? What leaks can be fixed that would take me from 0% to 15%?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/cdstephens/hh22.zip

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

I respect this ... I don't have the experience yet to help much but this will be a good exercise for me. I'll go through them and let you know if I see anything.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

ok dude, i just read the 1st HH ending in 22310, and theres a few problems already.
- first you folded 77 UTG in Level 1! this is a big mistake. you should be limping all pps from any position in unraised pots in the first 2 levels in such lowstakes games (you can tighten up just slightly at higher buyins, and by higher i mean 30-60s)

- there were a couple spots where your bb is minraised in level 1/2 where i probably wouldve completed because of great pot odds. if youre getting 5to1 or more, you should be completing with almost everything, for 15-20 chips. of course when you do this you have to be able to check fold trash middle pairs and top pairs weak kickers that you flop, but the two pairs, trips, and occasional flushes will add to your roi%

- and the last hand, you finally get AQs. i dont think you should be pushing here with 12bbs. its still too early. i havent sngpt'd it, but id bet its NOT a HUGE mistake, but its prob close to breakeven play. raise 2.5x bb and play some postflop. if you get repushed, consider folding depending on the player. but dont automatically start pushing hands on level 3 when you ahve over 10bbs!

ill be happy to look at more of these, one at a time, but i got [censored] to do at the moment

if others want to dispute my points, your all welcome,

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Looked at the first one. You were card-dead and lost a flip to bust. What else is new in the world of SNGs, haha.

Anyway, the only 2 things I saw were:

michieltje85: posts small blind 10
eyesmasters: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [7d 7s]
Gorvad: folds

I don't mind limping here.


Gorvad: posts small blind 15
mcbobo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Kc 8d]
meanfatdogg0: folds
untdairlines: folds
dumarr13: folds
luckynuts73: folds
michieltje85: folds
eyesmasters: folds
Gorvad: folds
mcbobo collected 30 from pot

I don't mind completing here.


Big stuff huh? Maybe I will time to review some more later.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
Most people here seem to agree that you can teach nearly anyone to beat the 6.50s for 15% in 8 hours, and since "there is no variance," any breakeven player must have huge leaks in his game.

I'm a breakeven player over 2000 6.50s, having moved down from the 16s where I was 4% for >3000 tournies before the latest catastrophic downswing. Here are the hand histories for 22 tournies. They haven't been carefully selected to prove any point, they're just the last 22 I played. The only thing not typical about them is I didn't bust out the first or second time I pushed, and I actually won some all-ins, so there is a finish distribution of 2/2/4, and you can see how I normally play through all levels.

Feel free to take a look and tell me what I am doing that is so far wrong. If you were using these 22 tournies to teach a new player how to easily beat the 6.50s, what would you tell him to do differently than I'm already doing? What leaks can be fixed that would take me from 0% to 15%?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/cdstephens/hh22.zip

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm down for this, I'm at work, will look through when I get a chance. Let me just say a couple things:

1) I think your attitude is great. You have decent sample size and you are willing to not scream "variance/luck/people suck/blah blah"

2) It's possible you were just very unlucky during that period.

How many tables at once have you been playing? Over what period of time have you been playing? (last week, last 10 months, what?)

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

kk, 2nd HH, #22311

-when it got 6 handed early (level 3), i think its ok to limp a few extra hands, like T9s, you folded in unopened pot, why not limp there?

-should complete sb in level 3 with T9o. your being overly tight in your blinds (something ive only recently fixed in my game)

-36s on button with 10bbs, might be a push, but i like the fold.

however, 54s one hand later now in level 5, i think is a definite push
why? because you have just under 7bbs, small suited connector, and in CO in an unopened pot. one thing i also learned recently, is that high card isnt always the best push hand, being suited and connected ARE VERY IMPORTANT. for instance, id rather push with Q9s than K6o. or 78s than J4o, etc etc.

-Aj push is fine and obvious, last push same, no problems there.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

I didnt read thru much but this comment caught my attention:

[ QUOTE ]
theres a few problems already.
- first you folded 77 UTG in Level 1! this is a big mistake. you should be limping all pps from any position in unraised pots in the first 2 levels in such lowstakes games (you can tighten up just slightly at higher buyins, and by higher i mean 30-60s)


[/ QUOTE ]

I think folding here is fine and better than open limping UTG. I like to play small & medium pairs too but I dont think UTG in level 1 is a great spot. I disagree strongly that folding is a mistake here.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

looking at the very last HH quickly

pokerface8: raises 780 to 800 and is all-in
CFriedSteak: folds
dan-o_1966: folds
Chemical502: folds
thomascf: folds
kappertje: calls 780
thomascf said, "so obvious"
*** FLOP *** [9s Ts 8c]
*** TURN *** [9s Ts 8c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ts 8c Qc] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerface8: shows [Kh Ah] (high card Ace)
kappertje: shows [As 2c] (high card Ace - lower kicker)


when i guy like that does something like this

*** FLOP *** [4h 2d 8h]
DNA2RNA: checks
Gorvad: bets 150
thomascf: raises 210 to 360
kappertje: raises 700 to 1060 and is all-in

you have to get your chips in with TT

there was no raise preflop which makes larger overpairs unlikely. the morons range is made of up tons of draws and one pair hands that you crush and very few sets don't pass up on free money from an idiot

I stopped reading after this one, i'll look more later

if you aren't noticing when players do things waaay out of line and very fishy like this you are playing too many tables

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

45764825 all looks fine, apart from this easy shove. I find it hard to believe you are break-even at the $6.50s based what I've seen.

POKERSTARS GAME #9001819528: TOURNAMENT #45764825, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/03/20 - 16:52:59 (ET)
Table '45764825 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Gorvad (2365 in chips)
Seat 2: deFKon (5850 in chips)
Seat 4: WH@T_U_S@Y (3085 in chips)
Seat 5: Baron Eugen (2200 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
deFKon: posts the ante 25
WH@T_U_S@Y: posts the ante 25
Baron Eugen: posts the ante 25
Baron Eugen: posts small blind 100
Gorvad: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ad Qh]
deFKon: folds
WH@T_U_S@Y: calls 200
Baron Eugen: calls 100
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d 5d 5h]
Baron Eugen: checks
Gorvad: checks
WH@T_U_S@Y: bets 400
Baron Eugen: calls 400
Gorvad: folds
*** TURN *** [2d 5d 5h] [9h]
Baron Eugen: bets 1575 and is all-in
WH@T_U_S@Y: folds
Baron Eugen collected 1500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1500 | Rake 0
Board [2d 5d 5h 9h]
Seat 1: Gorvad (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: deFKon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: WH@T_U_S@Y (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Baron Eugen (small blind) collected (1500)

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Seat 1: Gorvad (3080 in chips)
Seat 2: theezenuts (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: chipman18 (865 in chips)
Seat 4: dtnmlp (2965 in chips)
Seat 5: derek tom (2645 in chips)
Seat 6: bsandkcs (945 in chips)
Seat 9: Slade222 (1690 in chips)
Slade222: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [4h 4c]
theezenuts: folds
chipman18: folds
dtnmlp: folds
derek tom: folds
bsandkcs: raises 795 to 945 and is all-in
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: folds
bsandkcs collected 375 from pot
bsandkcs: doesn't show hand

Next hand ...

Seat 1: Gorvad (2930 in chips)
Seat 2: theezenuts (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: chipman18 (865 in chips)
Seat 4: dtnmlp (2965 in chips)
Seat 5: derek tom (2645 in chips)
Seat 6: bsandkcs (1170 in chips)
Seat 9: Slade222 (1615 in chips)
Gorvad: posts small blind 75
theezenuts: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [6c 5c]
chipman18: folds
dtnmlp: folds
derek tom: folds
bsandkcs: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: raises 2780 to 2930 and is all-in
theezenuts: folds
Gorvad collected 300 from pot
Gorvad: doesn't show hand

Looks tilty to me ... like you wished you had called the small stack and were making up for it here.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

guthrie,

that missed AQ hand is really bad...make sure thats a misclick in general [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Ac Ts]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push preflop here too ...

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

I fold this ...

Seat 1: Chemical502 (6970 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (1490 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (4120 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 75
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [4s 5s]
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: raises 770 to 920 and is all-in

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?

Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Ac Ts]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push preflop here too ...

[/ QUOTE ]

i dont particularly like either of these pushes mingdu (2nd one is much closer) unless you know this guy limps/folds frequently. he appears to be loose limping UTG so much, but that seems to make it more likely he will also call a push (if he's that loose of a player)

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
I fold this ...

Seat 1: Chemical502 (6970 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (1490 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (4120 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 75
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [4s 5s]
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: raises 770 to 920 and is all-in

[/ QUOTE ]

lol, not trying to pick on you, but i think this is a DEFINITE push...

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Yeah, he sucks ... I saw this early ... he limps all the time looking to see flops. After that he backed off calling light

Like I said ... might be my leak

pokerface8: posts small blind 10
CFriedSteak: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [3d 2s]
dan-o_1966: calls 20
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: calls 20
thomascf said, "jammer"
DNA2RNA: folds
Gorvad: folds
thomascf: calls 20
kappertje: calls 20
pokerface8: raises 780 to 800 and is all-in
CFriedSteak: folds
dan-o_1966: folds
Chemical502: folds
thomascf: folds
kappertje: calls 780
thomascf said, "so obvious"
*** FLOP *** [9s Ts 8c]
*** TURN *** [9s Ts 8c] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ts 8c Qc] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerface8: shows [Kh Ah] (high card Ace)
kappertje: shows [As 2c] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
pokerface8 collected 1680 from pot

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

oh i see... then K9s i like, and i still think u push 45s on button/bubble [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]


Seat 1: Gorvad (2930 in chips)
Seat 2: theezenuts (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: chipman18 (865 in chips)
Seat 4: dtnmlp (2965 in chips)
Seat 5: derek tom (2645 in chips)
Seat 6: bsandkcs (1170 in chips)
Seat 9: Slade222 (1615 in chips)
Gorvad: posts small blind 75
theezenuts: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [6c 5c]
chipman18: folds
dtnmlp: folds
derek tom: folds
bsandkcs: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: raises 2780 to 2930 and is all-in
theezenuts: folds
Gorvad collected 300 from pot
Gorvad: doesn't show hand

Looks tilty to me ... like you wished you had called the small stack and were making up for it here.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is a clear push, nh guthrie

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?


[/ QUOTE ]
WTF This is sosososososo bad never fold here.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
ok dude, i just read the 1st HH ending in 22310, and theres a few problems already.
- first you folded 77 UTG in Level 1! this is a big mistake. you should be limping all pps from any position in unraised pots in the first 2 levels in such lowstakes games (you can tighten up just slightly at higher buyins, and by higher i mean 30-60s)

- there were a couple spots where your bb is minraised in level 1/2 where i probably wouldve completed because of great pot odds. if youre getting 5to1 or more, you should be completing with almost everything, for 15-20 chips. of course when you do this you have to be able to check fold trash middle pairs and top pairs weak kickers that you flop, but the two pairs, trips, and occasional flushes will add to your roi%

- and the last hand, you finally get AQs. i dont think you should be pushing here with 12bbs. its still too early. i havent sngpt'd it, but id bet its NOT a HUGE mistake, but its prob close to breakeven play. raise 2.5x bb and play some postflop. if you get repushed, consider folding depending on the player. but dont automatically start pushing hands on level 3 when you ahve over 10bbs!

ill be happy to look at more of these, one at a time, but i got [censored] to do at the moment

if others want to dispute my points, your all welcome,

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for the response.

When I first started, using the advice from this forum, I was folding all small pps. Then, again following advice from this forum, I started limping all of them from all positions in the first 3 levels and nearly always folding if I didn't flop a set. This worked well at the 16s and 27s. When I moved down to the 6.50s, it almost never worked. There seems to be a virus at the 6.50s where if someone limps early, three more people limp, then the button or BB sees all those chips out there and raises. When I looked at PT stats for small pps in the early levels, I was getting killed. So right now, I'm folding nearly all small pps early, and limping others, depending on passive the table is.

I tend to call minraises with decent cards in the BB at the 16s and 27s, but again, at the 6.50s, the raiser is almost always going to C-bet the flop and I'd rather save chips for push/fold later than try to guess what the donk raised with.

The problem with AQs and 12BBs is that if I raise, get called, and miss the flop, I'm done, and down to less than 10BB on the next round. I'd rather push here. Maybe this wrong, and I don't always do it, but it seems to work.

I'm not arguing here, just giving my reasons for doing what I'm doing. I'm completely open to changing anything.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Most people here seem to agree that you can teach nearly anyone to beat the 6.50s for 15% in 8 hours, and since "there is no variance," any breakeven player must have huge leaks in his game.

I'm a breakeven player over 2000 6.50s, having moved down from the 16s where I was 4% for >3000 tournies before the latest catastrophic downswing. Here are the hand histories for 22 tournies. They haven't been carefully selected to prove any point, they're just the last 22 I played. The only thing not typical about them is I didn't bust out the first or second time I pushed, and I actually won some all-ins, so there is a finish distribution of 2/2/4, and you can see how I normally play through all levels.

Feel free to take a look and tell me what I am doing that is so far wrong. If you were using these 22 tournies to teach a new player how to easily beat the 6.50s, what would you tell him to do differently than I'm already doing? What leaks can be fixed that would take me from 0% to 15%?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/cdstephens/hh22.zip

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm down for this, I'm at work, will look through when I get a chance. Let me just say a couple things:

1) I think your attitude is great. You have decent sample size and you are willing to not scream "variance/luck/people suck/blah blah"

2) It's possible you were just very unlucky during that period.

How many tables at once have you been playing? Over what period of time have you been playing? (last week, last 10 months, what?)

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, that's the problem. It's easy to yell variance/luck/people suck, but it doesn't make any mathematical sense. Clearly I'm doing something wrong, but I can't tell what.

I've been playing SnGs for 18 months, >7K total. After yet another downswing, I moved down to the 6.50s, where I had about 500 already, at 7%, and have played about 1500 in the past two months. Now I'm about .31% over 2K. The 22 tournies posted were over my last two day period.

I normally play four tables in sets.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Limping with a small pair I'd say is mandatory from any position in early rounds. prefer that to AQ, AK where you have to raise, make a continuation bet and generally put your stack in jepordy.

If you get rasied, call if raise less than 10% of your stack, otherwise fold. Never call vs one opponent if raise is more than 10% of your stack. I think it's mathmatically correct to call at 5% but most folk go to 10%.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

POKERSTARS GAME #9006454634: TOURNAMENT #45788280, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/20 - 21:30:17 (ET)
Table '45788280 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Chemical502 (6360 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2665 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (1150 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (720 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1685 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 50
pokerface8: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [7c Ac]
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: folds
kappertje: calls 50


I would push here

some hands later, I push preflop

POKERSTARS GAME #9006522594: TOURNAMENT #45788280, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 21:34:16 (ET)
Table '45788280 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

[ QUOTE ]
I think it's mathmatically correct to call at 5% but most folk go to 10%.

[/ QUOTE ]
10% of effective stack, I'd add. Because if villain raises to 100 having only 400 behind, you can't call even if you have 1500, because you're not getting correct implied odds.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

No, not tilty. I actually have a reason for both, maybe not the correct reason, but a reason.

It took me awhile, but I became a firm believer in the gap concept. I'd always rather push than call. In the first hand, he's probably not pushing complete junk here, and with 44, he's almost certainly going to have two overcards. I'd just rather not risk 1/3 of my stack calling at best a coinflip. Later in the game, definitely, but not here.

In the second hand, opposite situation. Even with my pathetic stats for getting called, there's still a 60% chance he'll fold and I get the blinds. If he calls, 65s is not a terrible hand to get caught with.

I didn't have enough hands on either of these guys that a read would make a lot of difference.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

OP you have a good attitude. I havent read the HHs but I would ask if you have played 5000+ games. How many tables are you playing at once ?

Maybe cut down ?

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

I went over some HHs and found some hands which I would play differently.

POKERSTARS GAME #8993287958: TOURNAMENT #45723432, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/20 - 01:19:08 (ET)
Table '45723432 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: huligun (3160 in chips)
Seat 4: EuraDoosh (6060 in chips)
Seat 5: Gorvad (1215 in chips)
Seat 6: SPLASHINPOTS (1165 in chips)
Seat 9: mizzenboy (1900 in chips)
Gorvad: posts small blind 50
SPLASHINPOTS: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [8h Ah]
mizzenboy: folds
huligun: folds
EuraDoosh: raises 100 to 200
Gorvad: folds
SPLASHINPOTS: folds
EuraDoosh collected 250 from pot

Without special reads I don’t give chipleader's minraise much credit so I push here preflop.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993460146: TOURNAMENT #45723602, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/03/20 - 01:35:33 (ET)
Table '45723602 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Gorvad (3905 in chips)
Seat 4: csmith37660 (4085 in chips)
Seat 5: hghrllr177 (1910 in chips)
Seat 7: Slade222 (3600 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
csmith37660: posts the ante 25
hghrllr177: posts the ante 25
Slade222: posts the ante 25
Gorvad: posts small blind 100
csmith37660: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [8c 8s]
hghrllr177: calls 200
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: calls 100
csmith37660: checks

I push this preflop more often than I raise to 800. I never complete here.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993521170: TOURNAMENT #45723602, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/03/20 - 01:41:39 (ET)
Table '45723602 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Gorvad (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: csmith37660 (815 in chips)
Seat 5: hghrllr177 (4365 in chips)
Seat 7: Slade222 (6850 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
csmith37660: posts the ante 25
hghrllr177: posts the ante 25
Slade222: posts the ante 25
Gorvad: posts small blind 200
csmith37660: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [2c 3d]
hghrllr177: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: raises 1045 to 1445 and is all-in

I don’t think you have enough FE to push here. But not really sure about that.



POKERSTARS GAME #8993264917: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/03/20 - 01:17:03 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 2: Slade222 (1165 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 5: ttocs15 (2402 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (1660 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (1625 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (2105 in chips)
ttocs15: posts small blind 25
ohead: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ad Jd]
DummAce: calls 50
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: folds
ttocs15: calls 25
ohead: checks

Although I think foldng is ok, I limp here on the button. Too loose?



POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993452962: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/03/20 - 01:34:50 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: Gorvad (3433 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6977 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1117 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1973 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
ohead: posts the ante 25
rjobi: posts the ante 25
EuraDoosh: posts the ante 25
ohead: posts small blind 100
rjobi: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Jh Kc]
EuraDoosh: folds
Gorvad: folds
ohead: folds

I raise 600, folding to ohead’s push and calling shorty’s push.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.

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Well there's your problem Guthrie

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

yea, thats a mega insta call from sb vs. bb barring the most amazing read of the tightest 6.50 player of all time

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?


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WTF This is sosososososo bad never fold here.

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yea it seems very bad

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?


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WTF This is sosososososo bad never fold here.

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yea it seems very bad

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too short to fold? what if Gorvad has like t1500? lead out and fold to raise?

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Is it that clear cut? I make it even if sb is pushing 31%, I think you'll find plenty this tight when they have 11 bbs.
Although I think I'm calling against this guy.

Edit: just spotted they were suited ...whooops, 26% I think for breakeven.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.

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Well there's your problem Guthrie

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QFT. Folding ATs here is so bad. If you fold ATs here I would guess you miss at least 2-3 calls per SNG. I would never ever ever fold here unless my internet disconnected.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.

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Well there's your problem Guthrie

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QFT. Folding ATs here is so bad. If you fold ATs here I would guess you miss at least 2-3 calls per SNG. I would never ever ever fold here unless my internet disconnected.

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Yes huge mistake, even at a small buyin SnG.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

POKERSTARS GAME #8993264917: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/03/20 - 01:17:03 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 2: Slade222 (1165 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 5: ttocs15 (2402 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (1660 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (1625 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (2105 in chips)
ttocs15: posts small blind 25
ohead: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ad Jd]
DummAce: calls 50
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: folds
ttocs15: calls 25
ohead: checks


that fold is bad. you can't fold that. you should be raising.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.

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Well there's your problem Guthrie

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QFT. Folding ATs here is so bad. If you fold ATs here I would guess you miss at least 2-3 calls per SNG. I would never ever ever fold here unless my internet disconnected.

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Yes huge mistake, even at a small buyin SnG.

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i dont think its a huge mistake to fold A10 here. Depends on your opponent.

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993264917: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/03/20 - 01:17:03 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 2: Slade222 (1165 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 5: ttocs15 (2402 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (1660 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (1625 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (2105 in chips)
ttocs15: posts small blind 25
ohead: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ad Jd]
DummAce: calls 50
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: folds
ttocs15: calls 25
ohead: checks


that fold is bad. you can't fold that. you should be raising.

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Yea folding is just terrible here too.....

Re: Find the 15% leaks.
 

Guthrie, I'd just pay some $ and get a coach or someone to look over some of your HH's because while there's some sound advice in this thread some people are clearly clueless and listening to them will likely only make things worse for you.