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Ontario_Tory 03-21-2007 01:50 PM

Grammar vs. Grammer
 
OK - I know that these message boards are designed for poker, and that poker players are more inclined to know how to add rather than how to write, but I'm starting to get really annoyed with what I'm seeing.

So here are a handful of the most common mistakes that I'm seeing on these boards. If ever you're (NOT YOUR!) unsure about something, come back to this thread...

You're vs. Your:
You're = YOU ARE.
Your = Belongs to you.
You're going to be cold if you forget your sweater!

Their vs. They're vs. There:
Their = belongs to them.
They're = They are
There = A place.
They're standing over there talking into their cell phones...

Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

The use of "Ironic"
Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is generally understood. Generally there is an element of humour, stemming from the onlooker's perception of paradox.

Something unexpected / unfortunate is NOT AUTOMATICALLY IRONIC! Meeting Bob at the mall is not ironic. Watching somebody go runner-runner for quads to eliminate you from a tourney is NOT IRONIC. It sucks. But it's not ironic.

(The best example of irony that I can come up with happened to a buddy of mine. His car was broken into because his car alarm looked like a CD Changer.)

Please, add to this list... Sticky it... Next time somebody makes a 2nd grade English error, point them here...

OT

Yeti 03-21-2007 01:51 PM

Re: Grammar vs. Grammer
 
wat kinda person needs help with grammer?

punkass 03-21-2007 01:51 PM

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I like your avatar. mmmmmmm

Brainwalter 03-21-2007 01:55 PM

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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

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Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

Jiggymike 03-21-2007 01:55 PM

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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"



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I actually almost made a post about this once because EVERYONE on these forums does it. Then I figured it would come off as being petty and anal...I was right on that account.

jackdaniels 03-21-2007 01:56 PM

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I like your avatar. mmmmmmm

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That burger does look awesome...

bosoxfan 03-21-2007 01:56 PM

Re: Grammar vs. Grammer
 
Get over yourselve

TheDudeAbides 03-21-2007 01:56 PM

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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

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Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

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I don't think it's ever grammatically correct.

Brainwalter 03-21-2007 02:03 PM

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That can't be right.

maryfield48 03-21-2007 02:04 PM

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Dude, I could care less.

Autocratic 03-21-2007 02:06 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

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Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

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I don't think it's ever grammatically correct.

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It's not, it's just a poor interpretation of "should've"

___1___ 03-21-2007 02:09 PM

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On a slight tangent...

Why can noone on 2+2 spell "ridiculous" correctly?

___1___

TiK 03-21-2007 02:10 PM

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On a slight tangent...

Why can noone on 2+2 spell "ridiculous" correctly?

___1___

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Your making a rediculous accusation.

guids 03-21-2007 02:10 PM

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Op, your retarted.

Case Closed 03-21-2007 02:11 PM

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Why can noone on 2+2 spell "ridiculous" correctly?


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It's not an easy word to spell
no one checks over their posts before they submit
no one cares
some people are bad at spelling
they don't have spell check on their fire fox

A lot of reasons I guess.

oddjob 03-21-2007 02:13 PM

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Op, your retarted.

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that's ironic, seeing who this is from.

DrewDevil 03-21-2007 02:14 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

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Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

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Um, never. It's never correct.

Also:

When you dominate someone, you are dominant, not 'dominate.'

It's ridiculous, not 'rediculous.'

When you lose weight, it makes your pants loose.

Is grammar (not 'grammer') important? Definitely (not 'definately').

MelchyBeau 03-21-2007 02:19 PM

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OK - I know that these message boards are designed for poker, and that poker players are more inclined to know how to add rather than how to write, but I'm starting to get really annoyed with what I'm seeing.

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You should break this up into multiple sentences. 2nd grade english error.

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So here are a handful of the most common mistakes that I'm seeing on these boards.

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You should not start a sentence with a proposition.

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If ever you're (NOT YOUR!) unsure about something, come back to this thread...


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You have used too many periods at the end of this sentence.

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There = A place.

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This is not a sentence

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(this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)

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too many repitions of really

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Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is generally understood. Generally there is an element of humour, stemming from the onlooker's perception of paradox.

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You did not site your source.

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But it's not ironic.

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You should not start a sentence with a preposition.

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Please, add to this list... Sticky it... Next time somebody makes a 2nd grade English error, point them here...

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This is not a sentence.

guids 03-21-2007 02:21 PM

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Op, your retarted.

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that's ironic, seeing who this is from.

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Like 10,000 spoons.


I just can not comprehend the amount of nit that someone would have to have to post something like the OP did. This is a message board, who give a flying [censored]?

bonds 03-21-2007 02:27 PM

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wat kinda person needs help with grammer?

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morans obv.

young Nut 03-21-2007 02:28 PM

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grammar vs. Grammer?

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo...5/12525802.jpg

I choose Mrs. Grammer.

Austiger 03-21-2007 02:28 PM

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Definately.

fluffpop62 03-21-2007 02:31 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

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Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

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am I being leveled?

edit:
note:
further v farther
who v whom
irregardless is not a word
alright should never be used instead of all right.

and ridiculous is not hard to spell. wtf?!

i make loads of typos because sometimes i get really enthusiastic and post before i change my mind.


tuq 03-21-2007 02:32 PM

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I just can not comprehend the amount of nit that someone would have to have to post something like the OP did. This is a message board, who give a flying [censored]?

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Well, lousy grammar is like large visible tattoos or risque piercings: lots of people aren't going to care, but some will and they're going to think less of you for it.

Now you can say "eff them", which is your prerogative, but personally I like to make my posts as coherent as possible so as to not distract from whatever point I'm trying to make.

Plus I think people who make excessive grammatical errors as cited in the OP are dumb, and I'd prefer to think I'm not part of their clan.

onthebutton 03-21-2007 02:36 PM

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Irony is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is generally understood. Generally there is an element of humour, stemming from the onlooker's perception of paradox.

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You did not site your source.

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It's "cite", homey. Otherwise, nice job.

econophile 03-21-2007 02:37 PM

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it seems rather arbitrary which points of grammar people get upset about.

for example, when asked "how are you doing?" most people respond "good," and few would fault them for this even though "well" is the more grammatical response.

guids 03-21-2007 02:38 PM

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Id rather be friends with someone who doesnt spell grammar correctly than someone who points out the fact that you shouldnt end a sentence with a preposition.

daryn 03-21-2007 02:38 PM

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fluffpop you're wrong about irregardless. it sucks but sometimes enough morons are incorrect that they change the rule. irregardless is a word.

The Dude 03-21-2007 02:39 PM

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Plus I think people who make excessive grammatical errors as cited in the OP are dumb, and I'd prefer to think I'm not part of their clan.

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This pretty much explains my thoughts on the subject. Especially in the case of "should of." It's just not possible to have a decent understanding of the English language and make this mistake.

nick604 03-21-2007 02:39 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think it's ever grammatically correct.

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Think this stems from "should've" sounding like "should of", but TBA's right - it's always correct to say "should have"...

tuq 03-21-2007 02:41 PM

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Id rather be friends with someone who doesnt spell grammar correctly than someone who points out the fact that you shouldnt end a sentence with a preposition.

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Heh, fair enough. I care far more about the spelling and the common mistakes that OP cited than sentence structure or things like ending a sentence with a preposition, which I consider something way too minor to be nitty about.

The Dude 03-21-2007 02:41 PM

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it sucks but sometimes enough morons are incorrect that they change the rule.

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It bothers me immensely that "I could care less" is generally accepted now, despite that it's obviously nonsensical.

The Dude 03-21-2007 02:45 PM

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I care far more about the spelling and the common mistakes that OP cited than sentence structure or things like ending a sentence with a preposition, which I consider something way too minor to be nitty about.

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Yeah, in fact there are times when breaking from proper sentence structure works better in dialog, so when typing conversationally it can work. But "should of," and "could care less," and other similar mistakes are pretty clear examples of ignorance.

tuq 03-21-2007 02:50 PM

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Dude,

"Could care less" drives me batshit insane, yet it constantly gets (mis)used. Everwhere.

I just ran a query on the past month over all 2+2 forums. This thread excepted, there are 109 instances of "could care less" vs. only 36 instances of "couldn't care less". Granted, a number of those are merely quoting the statement, but it's fair to assume that such distribution is roughly equal. Pathetic.

GrammarPolice 03-21-2007 02:50 PM

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This thread sucks so bad I'm considering resigning from the force.

livin_a_lie 03-21-2007 02:55 PM

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When you lose weight, it makes your pants loose.

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GD I hate this one. This semester I got this essay prompt from a history professor, she's got a phd for christ's sake!

"Analyze the class structure in "Brave New World" from its inception to its function. Please do not describe the different strata and their responsibilities but take a critical look at why each class is constructed and how this stratification and construction is accomplished and maintained. Who are the winners and who are the loosers in this world? Why do the winners and the loosers accept their New World?"

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AE6 03-21-2007 02:56 PM

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less vs. fewer is another one that people [censored] up all the time

pergesu 03-21-2007 03:01 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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Have vs. of: (this one's a new one for me, but it's really, really, really bad...)
Right: "I should have raised there!"
Wrong: "I should of raised there!"

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm. So when would you say "should of" done something?

[/ QUOTE ]
erm, never?

Big Poppa Smurf 03-21-2007 03:05 PM

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know what else is really annoying? grammar nits on the internet!

fluffpop62 03-21-2007 03:06 PM

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fluffpop you're wrong about irregardless. it sucks but sometimes enough morons are incorrect that they change the rule. irregardless is a word.

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True, but it shouldn't be. Alright is also in some dictionaries, but they're both fabrications.

The only reason I'd even know this is because I just had a midterm in Media Writing and 2/3 of it was grammar.


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