Who Do You Fear on Party?
 

I don't know if this post is out of bounds, if you think it is, just say so... I will give a short list of some players that I consider to be very good.

LittleMoon
IronChef
ClarkLewis
YellowRiver
FrappeBoy
McNabbtoTO
PlaywellJMal

Add to the list if you like. These are some obvious ones i think. Do you disagree with any on the list? Do you disagree with even having a list?

I know on other board they decided it wasn't a good idea to talk about fish, and there are too many players to talk about sharks, but since the stud community is fairly small, you run into the same players often enough to learn a decent bit about them.

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I fear beta1607 because his play is always costing me alot of money...oh wait....

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I know how you feel...see my recent post

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Heres my list of the best stud players on party. I recluse myself or any other 2+2 player from it.

IronChef- The best stud player on party, period.

McNabbtoTO- This is golfandtennis/TDO323 under another
screen name. My vote for the second best player on party and also the biggest money winner overall on the stud section (he also plays more than most anyone).

genoa_st- He could also get my vote for second best. He plays $200 NL singles on party for a living now but used to play 20-40 instead when the game used to be much better then it is today.

YellowRiver/LittleMoon/RedBoy- These are all the same player for those that dont know. And he plays rock soild under all of them. He loves to sit at an empty table and try to lure someone into playing him. Best to look for an easier game. He makes few mistakes and is very soild.

FrappeBoy- A definite winner but far too passive in certain situations. He berated me the other day telling me how I should simply call if it was folded around to me and I was next to the bring in? WTF, who always calls there? Maybe he was just telling me that because he was seated to my left. Other then being too passive in some aspects hes soild. PlaywellJMal and Clarklewis are on the same page as him,but far behind the top three skill wise.

Top 20-40 players- I wont give a long analysis of these players but they're all excellent (far above Frappe, Playwell, and Clark). Some of them switched to hold'em, two play 75-150 at foxwoods nowadays and not so much online anymore, some might have switched there screen names, some still play regularly. They are Tripped, dinosaurs77, wcasenyc, Issimi, and mmcdon. Mmcdon is a poster here on 2+2 (alright so I added one poster) but now plays strictly hold'em and omaha I believe. So here it is, a game where you'd take an a$$ wooping:

TheIronChef
McNabbto
genoa_st
YellowRiver
Tripped
dinosaurs77
mmcdon
Issimi

I remember a post in the internet forum awhile back by snakehead. In it he was asking how to open up a party account because he wanted to play in the 20-40. No one happens to know his screen name do they? I'd be interested to see how he'd fare in that game. I know two 300-600 players that used to play in that tight 20-40 (reepo66 and rocawear69) and they both were serious donaters. They kept trying to run over a game with a rock structure and couldnt gear down from their normal stakes.

Mike Emery

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Interesting you guys had many of the same names on your lists. I will have to check these players out.

Do you guys divulge your screen names there? I'd love to watch a number of you 2+2 guys play.

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I pretty much only play 3-6, so don't know any names on the list. Except one. PlaywellJmal has appeared to be a fish to me. I wonder if the guy who plays higher lets his friend/wife whatever play 3-6 using his bank, cause that screen name at 3-6 is not good in my experience.

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Interesting about playweljmal and clarklewis. I have played both these guys as well, at stakes as low as 1/2. Neither one struck me as noteable players, but maybe we have not been in enough hands together for me to get a good read.

There was a guy a while back that I was pretty careful with - Bingo4Me. He seemed to be a consistent winner but I have not seem him for a while.

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I've played with Bingo4me, too. And he did seem decent, although not awesome by any means.

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I judge bases on how much I see a screen name over time. Because I assume if you are playing 5-10 and up (5-10 is as high as I go most of the time) you can't constantly refill your roll if you are a losing player.

I've seen :
pinkrose1 (or something that starts with p)
IronChef
FrappeBoy
McNabbtoTO
PlaywellJMal
paigee
logdoggie
waterflower
and
faggie

for a few months. I'm not saying any of these players are spectacular...but in general I assume the players that I recognize (without notes) are better than the average "never seen this guy before" player

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No. I'm sorry Jon. Fagie is a fish, fish fish. At least at 3-6. Maybe a rich fish. But thoroughly aquatic.

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I also think Jemoinga deserves a mention.

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Man that is one rock. I view him in the same lines as ming1368 and sweder76.

Mike Emery

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I'm doing just fine, thanks. my nick isn't on your list, so I guess I'm not that good. but from playing with them,
mcnabbtoto and littlemoon aren't exactly great players. and one of the worst who plays there a lot is siamdelight.

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I'm doing just fine, thanks. my nick isn't on your list, so I guess I'm not that good.

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I'm sorry snakehead. I hope you understand that only the best of the best make my list. Keep working on your game and maybe one day you too will make it. You must understand party pokers stud section is comprised of the finest stud players in the world. Its no shame to be in the middle rung snake. If you need some help with your game I'll be here. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Mike Emery

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I'm doing just fine, thanks. my nick isn't on your list, so I guess I'm not that good. but from playing with them,
mcnabbtoto and littlemoon aren't exactly great players. and one of the worst who plays there a lot is siamdelight.

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Why have McNabb and LittleMoon done that makes you think they are not fantastic players?

Also, I find it interesting that we have 3 posters on here playing in that game. You, Carlos, and Bartholow.

In an 8 person game, how many can be winners?

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in the 3-6, 5-10 limits, I think ADent and Blitzkrieg are very solid. I believe they are both the same person. There is also this kid named HenryKwak that seems to play alittle more loose than the other regulars but always seems to win. That is at least when i'm playing. He doesn't multi-table and plays one game.
Does anyone have any stats and information on NemoMinnow?

I also believe PlaywellJML is a fish too. My favorite fish of ALL TIME on party stud has to be Nappori and Ming.
Comments and questions? Who's your favorite fishes. I have more, but forgot their names. I will reply w/ more after I am reminded of them.

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in the 3-6, 5-10 limits, I think ADent and Blitzkrieg are very solid. I believe they are both the same person. There is also this kid named HenryKwak that seems to play alittle more loose than the other regulars but always seems to win. That is at least when i'm playing. He doesn't multi-table and plays one game.
Does anyone have any stats and information on NemoMinnow?

I also believe PlaywellJML is a fish too. My favorite fish of ALL TIME on party stud has to be Nappori and Ming.
Comments and questions? Who's your favorite fishes. I have more, but forgot their names. I will reply w/ more after I am reminded of them.

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If your definition of fish is a winning player, then yes, ming and playwell are both fish.

Of course, Nappori is a fish, he's legendary. However, we decided not to list people we think are fish, so lets leave that out of the discussion. Its in bad taste.

I don't think henrykwak is that solid.

You must be nemominnow, no notes on him..

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Anybody have any thoughts on BrinkBrown. At first I thought he was fishy, but I've been giving him some of my money lately.

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Although I don't play 20-40 often, I believe Percy is the best 20-40 player. I don't know best as in most money won, but he plays a very Tight Game. Creativity may be lacking but he plays straight up and very strong.
I know you said not to name fishes or anything, but I noticed a few months ago, Nappori has blocked himself on the Buddy List. You can't see where he's playing anymore, but it's okay. Like you said, the stud community is small...it's not that hard to find him. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Percy is definitely solid...but nothing amazing. He has got to be tight because he always plays 4 tables at once. I have trouble beliving that he is much of a thinker, because he spend a ton of time jsut chatting it up with the regulars (nothing wrong with that...I chat occasionally) about how well he is runnning and how his sports betting is going, while sitting in at 4 tables, so his play is rather straight forward (which is fine since that is what usuallty gets the money anyway).

-Carlos

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Carlos, what do you think of the other names that have been mentioned? Thanks as usual for your input.

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Hi BeerMoney,

Given the low rake, I think you could have 7 winning players, as long as you've got a someone who is too loose in this low ante game. There are many times when there is no such fish, and the low ante makes the game very dull, and less profitable than most of the 10/20 tables. I personally don't enjoy playing against 7 good players in a low ante game, but stick those same players in Stars 30-60, $5 ante game and you got a interesting, complex, and much more profitable (but higher varience) game.

Regards,
Carlos

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how many of those names play higher than 5/10?

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Hi BeerMoney,

I recognize most of them as solid players. Here are some of my notes on LittleMoon, who I consider a solid winner. As you can see even solid winners will do stupid things like call on 5th with gutshot str8 draws (althought if you have several overcards this can be correct). The formatting is kind of bad, and I use a lot of abbreviation...but if they are helpful, I can post some notes on others)

LittleMoon~
won't fold split mid pair v obv reraise from BWP, calls 2 river, but will fold complete bluff if RR
RR 7 w/ JAQo
R on 4th 2 eliminate
RR from BI w/ split 4s v probable steal, C to R w/ no improvement
will continue on 5th w/ a gut shot
Limp w/ split As bets them to 6th 3 way, C R, maybe ks?gives up Bluff w/ A DC on 4th
3 bets w/ split Ks after R & RR from J and Q
can LF or RF on 3rd
R and 3 bet w/ WQs v RR from BI (prob WBP)

Regards,
Carlos

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Percy is definitely solid...but nothing amazing. He has got to be tight because he always plays 4 tables at once. I have trouble beliving that he is much of a thinker, because he spend a ton of time jsut chatting it up with the regulars (nothing wrong with that...I chat occasionally) about how well he is runnning and how his sports betting is going, while sitting in at 4 tables, so his play is rather straight forward (which is fine since that is what usuallty gets the money anyway).

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Although I don't play 20-40 often, I believe Percy is the best 20-40 player. I don't know best as in most money won, but he plays a very Tight Game. Creativity may be lacking but he plays straight up and very strong.
I know you said not to name fishes or anything, but I noticed a few months ago, Nappori has blocked himself on the Buddy List. You can't see where he's playing anymore, but it's okay. Like you said, the stud community is small...it's not that hard to find him.


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I actually forgot to include Percy on my original list. He definitely would have been on there but his name somehow slipped my mind. While he is a soild player he is definitely not the best 20-40 player. To be honest I'm suprised you both classified him as being very tight. I've played a ton with him and never really though so. Percy will complete with a wide variety of hands including three flushes and straits on third as well as pocket underpairs. Its not like he always has what he rep's.

And Carlos is right, you will never meet someone who chats as much as that guy. In the football season all you will hear at the table is how he is making a ton of money betting on his team, The Patriots. In the offseason any topic you can think of. I just feel really bad for his students who have to listen to his ramble (hes an English teacher). Percy has told me before how he plays 75-150 every weekend at foxwoods and beats the game so obviously hes soild, although he would not disclose his winrate in it when I asked him.

Mike Emery

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In the football season all you will hear at the table is how he is making a ton of money betting on his team, The Patriots .

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Sounds pretty smart to me.

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OK...since I didn't make this list maybe I have a shot at the biggest fish list?

One can only hope.

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OK...since I didn't make this list maybe I have a shot at the biggest fish list?

One can only hope.

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LOL, you have to realize that as a solid player, you are more than likely flying under the radar. Also, you may not have played against that many people who play on here. If you're playing 3/6, there are probably only 8-10 of us who play there, 6-8 who play 5/10,, etc..

I am not really tracking the solid players, so much as the fish. The ones who I run into a lot, and I don't get any money from, are ones I mentioned.

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I fear myself because Im my own worst enemy. a table filled with these guys coundnt hurt me nearly as bad as I could hurt myself.

timmer

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Mike,

I stand corrected...it seems my notes, copied below, are better than my memory. As you can see, he is a lot looser and trickier than I gave him credit for in my first post. I think that some of these moves, like open raising with split 8s and a Q kicker when there are 2 overcards behind are more appropriate in a higher ante game than in 10/20 and especially in the $5 bring in 20/40 game.

percy6~
agro w/ drawing hands
bets mid pairs until 6th HU
OR w/ wiredAs but then no 3 bet after BI RR, waits till 5th
reads well
will OR w/ split 8s Q kick in EP when J and T behind
can't RaiseFold w/ split 6s dead A kick v RR by dead Q
seen me pause before betting w/ made F on 6th and Riv
will CR on Riv v probable trips or flush w/ AK high Flush
TA, plays 75-150, multi tables
won't make tough folds even if he's pretty sure that he is beat

Regards,
Carlos

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If the right guy is in the game, seven players could be long-term winners. Two live ones are certainly enough. I've played in very profitable games where there were five good players.

LittleMoon
 

I've also seen him complete with an ace showing, and then fold to a reraise from the bring in.

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Yup. One of the few (and by few I mean very very very few players on party) that will fold automatically if reraised on third and he was on a steal. Sometimes I've even reraised him with nonsense on third to get him to muck knowing this. A good point to bring up Beer.

Mike Emery

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I've also seen him complete with an ace showing, and then fold to a reraise from the bring in.


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Yup. One of the few (and by few I mean very very very few players on party) that will fold automatically if reraised on third and he was on a steal. Sometimes I've even reraised him with nonsense on third to get him to muck knowing this. A good point to bring up Beer.

Mike Emery

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Well, I hope he's not reading this, but I think that's a pretty big weakness, cause then all you have to do is reraise him, and you've got the info you need.

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I'm going to take back my comment on little moon. I think I had him confused with halfmoon8, who is a terrible player. mcnabb plays so tight I don't think he can beat anyone but very bad players. better players will run circles around him.

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I'm going to take back my comment on little moon. I think I had him confused with halfmoon8, who is a terrible player. mcnabb plays so tight I don't think he can beat anyone but very bad players. better players will run circles around him.

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I dont think anyones going to run circles around him while that 20-40 keeps that insanely tight structure. How would a better player be able to run circles around him when he dosent get involved without a premium hand? Its not like they could take him by stealing his antes alone.

To be honest I'm suprised you play in that game snake. If you dont mind my asking have you found that you can even earn 1BB per hour in the 20-40. I know you can play stud and hold'em. Wouldnt your time be better spent in ultimate's big hold'em games nowadays (or even partys 15-30 game where there's more profit potential than the 20-40 stud).

Mike Emery

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im glad noone on this board fears me.

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Does anybody have any thoughts on VildaChaya?

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Anybody else think dolphin5 plays really well?

Any thoughts on gamgunlam?

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Hands down I am my own worst enemy on party.

And Issimi always pokes me in the tail...but I haven't seen her in a while - maybe a name change?