What No One Else Is Saying About Online Poker
 

Amazon just sent me this book offer.

Book Description:

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With the renewed interest in the WSOP and Texas Hold-Em poker, online poker rooms have become the easiest way for the average player to get in the game. Online poker generates billions of dollars a year. Millions are playing and millions are lost every day. When playing poker live, an experienced player coupled with a little luck is a winning hand. But when playing online, rampant cheating and endless numbers of bad players make the luck factor the deciding factor. This book will let you understand the two different games being played, comparing live play to online play. What No One Else Is Saying About Online Pokerhighlights how the internet has changed the game into a free for all that could bring even the most experienced professional poker player to his knees, begging for mercy. What No One Else Is Saying About Online Poker is the tell all book about online poker. Topics: . Research the ins and outs of the industry and how the internet has changed the game forever. . Understand why online poker rooms are spending millions to detect cheating. . Learn the different types of cheating taking place in today's online poker rooms and how to recognize it. . Uncover the truths and rumored myths of online poker. . Learn exactly where online poker rooms and the players stand concerning the new bill passed into law on October 13,2006:"The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006". . Arm yourself with the knowledge to compete and discover if you can even afford trying. Author Carl Varrone, a successful business owner and poker enthusiast began his research for What No One Else Is Saying About Online Pokerin 1998. His curriculum included reading numerous books and firsthand experiences in casino poker rooms learning to master the game. When poker rooms started popping up on the internet, Varrone found himself playing online every chance he could. Through his years of playing and research he was compelled to write this book. Every person playing online poker or considering it should learn from his experiences before getting in on the action.


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Sounds like this guy is finally putting in print what most of the online veterens prolly already know. It was only a matter of time, I guess, before a book like this got published.

Thoughts/opinions/kneejerk reactions?

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So this guy is saying that online poker is bad because sites rip us off and there are a lot of cheaters and pros are losing all their money because it so easy to click a button or something like this?

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Don't know, just read the description so far.

I imagine he discusses collusion quite a bit, however.

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I doubt you will read anything new about on-line cheating that you wouldn't already know from reading the various poker forums.

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This looks self published. Look at the cover illustration! There are excerpts on his website and he doesn't appear to be a real writer:

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I didn’t write this book with any intentions of teaching you how to play Texas Hold Em or to guarantee you a trick or a system that’s going to beat the odds or any sites software. This book is going to teach you what I learned from let’s say “on the job training” from actually playing online and offline along with the years of research staying current on all the different issues only found and directly related to the online poker environment that can and will alter the true and honest outcome of any hand being played at any time.

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The topics he claims to be discussing might be interesting ones, but this guy doesn't look the person to be doing it.

Don't know if it's the same guy, but there's some info online about a Carl Varrone being charged with some sort of crime, but my lack of attention span prevents me from reading further.

EDIT: Yeah, here's his "publisher". I really think this guy is about to blow the lid off this thing!

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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"His curriculum included reading numerous books and firsthand experiences in casino poker rooms learning to master the game. When poker rooms started popping up on the internet, Varrone found himself playing online every chance he could. Through his years of playing and research he was compelled to write this book....."

Sounds like one long bad beat story. He was "compelled" to share with everyone.

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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I know it's a completely different game. I kind of waiting for the legions of 2p2r's that are going to storm this thread to deny that. Hint....botters and colluders?

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Just some [censored] trying to start some hype and contoversy to sell a book that is probabley worthless.

I woulden't even bother to piss on it to put it out if I saw it on fire let alone pay anything for it.

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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I know it's a completely different game. I kind of waiting for the legions of 2p2r's that are going to storm this thread to deny that. Hint....botters and colluders?

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And I agree, the book sounds like one long bad beat story from a guy who couldnt win.

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There's a reason no one else is saying this stuff about online poker.

Oh wait, they post here in the zoo everday and complain about all the sites being rigged.

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There's a reason no one else is saying this stuff about online poker.

Oh wait, they post here in the zoo everday and complain about all the sites being rigged.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree it sounds like a bad beat book, but he's not talking about sites rigging the games. Its talking about bots and colluders, two things that ARE real, and are a problem.

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I wouldn't read it if someone gave me the book for free and paid me $50 to read it. I would however wipe my ass with it, I'd use two books if i ate chili.

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This seems like a thread better suited to the books/publications forum.

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misleading title

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So basically he won playing live and can't win online so online must be full of cheaters and scammers and nobody can win there and he's going to write a book and tell us.

Well duh. They're different games, there are cheats, there are scammers.

I still win.

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This book is interesting if and only if he documents people (or himself) colluding, making money, and not getting caught by the site.

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Yup, theres no cheating in live games and its impossible to win online.

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This seems like a thread better suited to the bi/curious forum.

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Great, now instead of just threads about how online poker is rigged we get a full book about it. Sounds fantastic.

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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I know it's a completely different game. I kind of waiting for the legions of 2p2r's that are going to storm this thread to deny that. Hint....botters and colluders?

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I don't bot, I don't collude.

That being said, this book sounds stupid.

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Can someone buy the book and let me know if he discloses his screen name? Please!

Meow

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Russ Georgiev has been telling us this for years.....

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I collude all the time, pays my rent.

Stick to B&M if you can't handle it

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I collude all the time, pays my rent.

Stick to B&M if you can't handle it

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You know what else pays the rent? Not sucking at poker and having to cheat.

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Lol, seriously live and online poker is the same damn game. There are cheaters live too. People lose online b/c they can't do math. People lose live b/c they can't do math, except live the losing is way way way slower.

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endless numbers of bad players make the luck factor the deciding factor.

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This is just silly.

But I agree there are a lot of cheaters in online poker. Fortunately, poker is a hard game, and most of them just aren't very good...

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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there's cheating online AND in real life

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I collude all the time, pays my rent.

Stick to B&M if you can't handle it

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I break people's legs all the time who steal my rent.

Stick to the inside of your house if you can't handle it.

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I break people's legs all the time who steal my rent.

Stick to the inside of your house if you can't handle it.

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look out, internet thug!

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I collude all the time, pays my rent.

Stick to B&M if you can't handle it

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name/site plz

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auntjemima420


every site out there

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auntjemima420


every site out there

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Um... dumbest colluder ever? Nah, no one could be that stupid.

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But when playing online, rampant cheating and endless numbers of bad players make the luck factor the deciding factor.

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I stopped reading here.

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there is a book called dirty poker written by Richard markus (who wrote "the great casino heist, UK titl cant remember the American title), which talks about online collusion, bots and "peeker software" a lot.
It's quite an insight as to what goes on on the internet and the capabilities peopel have.
However it probably does not matter much to low limit players and high limit players probably have enough sense and knowledge to recognise and exploit bots and collusion

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Collusion and botting are two things that cannot be denied in online play, and you're a total idiot if you think online poker isnt a completely different game.

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Uhmmm, I win money play on the internets. I no collude and no do botting. Me just lucky?

Stop spreading lunacy. Collusion could happen and its easy to spot. A super-bot (if it existed) would be no different than a great player. Leave the table. If all the players around you are better than you, its more likely that you suck than you are swimming in superbot infested waters. To claim that collusion and bots are so pervasive as to actually make internet poker "a different game" makes me beleive you are either a donkey or a paranoid shzophrenic off his meds.

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Amazon just sent me this book offer.

Book Description:

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With the renewed interest in the WSOP and Texas Hold-Em poker, online poker rooms have become the easiest way for the average player to get in the game. Online poker generates billions of dollars a year. Millions are playing and millions are lost every day. When playing poker live, an experienced player coupled with a little luck is a winning hand. But when playing online, rampant cheating and endless numbers of bad players make the luck factor the deciding factor. This book will let you understand the two different games being played, comparing live play to online play. What No One Else Is Saying About Online Pokerhighlights how the internet has changed the game into a free for all that could bring even the most experienced professional poker player to his knees, begging for mercy. What No One Else Is Saying About Online Poker is the tell all book about online poker. Topics: . Research the ins and outs of the industry and how the internet has changed the game forever. . Understand why online poker rooms are spending millions to detect cheating. . Learn the different types of cheating taking place in today's online poker rooms and how to recognize it. . Uncover the truths and rumored myths of online poker. . Learn exactly where online poker rooms and the players stand concerning the new bill passed into law on October 13,2006:"The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006". . Arm yourself with the knowledge to compete and discover if you can even afford trying. Author Carl Varrone, a successful business owner and poker enthusiast began his research for What No One Else Is Saying About Online Pokerin 1998. His curriculum included reading numerous books and firsthand experiences in casino poker rooms learning to master the game. When poker rooms started popping up on the internet, Varrone found himself playing online every chance he could. Through his years of playing and research he was compelled to write this book. Every person playing online poker or considering it should learn from his experiences before getting in on the action.


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Sounds like this guy is finally putting in print what most of the online veterens prolly already know. It was only a matter of time, I guess, before a book like this got published.

Thoughts/opinions/kneejerk reactions?

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[censored] Alert.

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Uhmmm, I win money play on the internets. I no collude and no do botting. Me just lucky?

Stop spreading lunacy. Collusion could happen and its easy to spot. A super-bot (if it existed) would be no different than a great player. Leave the table. If all the players around you are better than you, its more likely that you suck than you are swimming in superbot infested waters. To claim that collusion and bots are so pervasive as to actually make internet poker "a different game" makes me beleive you are either a donkey or a paranoid shzophrenic off his meds.

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If it exists, I view collusion as an aspect to some people's game that makes them better. Their (skill level + collusion) allows them to move up to larger stakes. Every one of us has our own skill level by Peter Principle, and the colluders are no exception. Perhaps with your skill level, you'd be ready for higher stakes.

Following up on your statements, it becomes a table selection thing. If I think people at my table are colluding, and they are good enough that I don't feel I have an edge, I get up. (I don't know if there is collusion or not, but the uncertainty is enough to put me on tilt and thus I need to get up)