Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

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BB ($58.25)
UTG ($106.15)
MP ($271.55)
Hero ($127.75)
SB ($205.22)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB (poster) calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, SB folds, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($38) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($38) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG calls $106.15 (All-In) ?

Unknown villain

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

pretty weird line Villain took here!
its a WA/WB situation i think.
cant put him on 68 here.
could be a missed combo-draw,
why this big overbet @ the river?

personaly i'd call i think to see what he really had! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

any reads history stats or something for Villain.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

He's rarely value shoving a worse hand. You probably only beat a bluff here, I would fold.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

I like a call here. Does he call 67 or 9J preflop UTG? I guess we don't know. Those and maaaaybe QT are the only hands I'm worried about. Seems like he is aggressive but would play a set or even an OESD differently on the flop or turn.

I guess I would cry and call but AI on the river is the nuts sometimes. To me his line just doesn't make sense, that's why I would call.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

somebody missed their turn c/r

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

FWIW, I probably call, but its probably -EV anyway... I also probably bet the turn because I'm a donkey.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

insta-fold. bottom two is not good here, even on party.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

Instafold.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

I'm confused as hell as to what villan actually is holding in this spot. Missed FD and total air? Being a nit with A-Q?

This is one where in absence of any specific reads I'd lay it down. I'm convinced though we're either WAY ahead or WAY behind which are the only two reasons villan would take such a line.

To me though bottom two isn't enough ammo to make this call.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

how can you guys call here..Firstly you are getting awful pot odds, secondly he massivly overbet the river. I think that we are behind here for sure, and 9/10 our 2pair is no good. Pushing all in like that we just cant call him, what a wierd line though.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

Sharp disaster in a fresh new coma
Was worth it when it was over
Proving yourself right
You'd make the biggest noise
Well I'd lock my hands behind my head
I'd cover my heart and hit the deck
I'd brace myself for the impact if I were you


your hand is like a girl who always says she'll call you but never does
let it go before you it breaks you inside and out

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

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somebody missed their turn c/r

[/ QUOTE ] J9 or poorly played set

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

I don't like your line. If you want to play a draw agressive, then bet the flop AND the turn!

As played I fold, because huge overbets on the river are far more often a strong hand than a bluff. You have only the lowest possible two pair. This is not strong enough to call this bet.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

i am not sure about this one... he checks the turn so he is not afraid to give a free card, when villain hit a set / 2 pair he will protect his hand IMO on the turn. There is a flush draw and a straight draw on the board so i think he is bluffing the river. still his overbet on the river is suspicious ... but i think i will call the river.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

FOLD...I got into this same situation last night and the board is eerily similar...it started out as a flush draw then became a straight draw on the turn that completed...if this is the same situation as I ran into...it's 67spades

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

You're against J9 here.. if you call that with specific read pls let's play hu =)

he was going for a c/r on the turn so I guess he just tried to confuse you and get a donk call of you

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

Your line is fine now fold the river and make a note on this.


Ps. He has a monster like 90%+ of the time here and I used to have a tendency to call them 'because nobody would play a monster this way'.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

the correct move here is imo to fold!
at this limit its very seldom that someone makes a move like this with air.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

i'm letting go.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

fold it. he has J9, a set, or QT. if he keeps playing like this, you will probably get his money soon enough anyway.

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

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the correct move here is imo to fold!
at this limit its very seldom that someone makes a move like this with air.

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make up your mind, lol

Re: Great I made 2 pair and he shoves
 

so many times players will play monster hands exceptionally bad( fail to build a pot) and by the river they don't want to make a normal bet because they fell they're hand deserves more so they just shove. fold and make a note on how stupid this guy is.