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I don't. I mean, most of the stuff that is going to happen is going to occur at least 20 or 30 years down the line if not 100 years. Yea, sure my kids or grandkids may have to buy oceanfront property in Kansas, but how does that affect me?


I mean, does it really matter that Miami won't exist when I'm dead?

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none of its even been proven, imo its much more likely just further scare tactics.

but assuming it was real, no i dont care about it at all.

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I like earth.

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Hmm...I've thought about this before, but I think it would be frowned upon to say you don't care at all about the future of the human race. The way I figure it, our extinction is pretty much inevitable right? So fighting against global warming seems like a donk sucking out on me: only delaying what is bound to happen. And about the validity of global warming, I forget which organization, but it was recently reported after a series of studies that global warming was more than 95% likely to be a real phenomenon, so I do not believe it is false, the question is, do you care more about yourself or the future of your race? Because stopping global warming will require sacrifice by all.

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The way I figure it, our extinction is pretty much inevitable right? So fighting against global warming seems like a donk sucking out on me: only delaying what is bound to happen.

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The way I figure it, our extinction is pretty much inevitable right? So fighting against global warming seems like a donk sucking out on me: only delaying what is bound to happen.

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By the same token, all ethical and moral codes/rules can be safely flushed down the drain.

Not that I have a problem with that, but I thought you might.

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Hahahaha nice one, but can't we appreciate the art of sarcasm by returning kudos and not more sarcasm? Kudos to you sir, that was pretty funny. And yes, your powers of prediction are astounding (violated my own rule there about the sarcasm, didn't I? hehe), I would have a problem with that.

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I care very little about conservation or any of that kind of stuff. Why should I make a sacrifice for future creatures that may or may not even exist. They aren't around to use the resources, and might never be. The way I look at it, I ought to please myself to make sure those resources don't go to waste when we nuke the world.

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I "care about it" in the same sense that I care about a phenominon like the increasing average population age of 1st-world nations. It will no doubt lead to some very real problems, but there is not much you can realistically do to stop it. And at the same time, if you'd like to work yourself up over "impending doom," there are other issues that deliver much more worry per thought-hour invested.

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Hmm...I've thought about this before, but I think it would be frowned upon to say you don't care at all about the future of the human race. The way I figure it, our extinction is pretty much inevitable right? So fighting against global warming seems like a donk sucking out on me: only delaying what is bound to happen. And about the validity of global warming, I forget which organization, but it was recently reported after a series of studies that global warming was more than 95% likely to be a real phenomenon, so I do not believe it is false, the question is, do you care more about yourself or the future of your race? Because stopping global warming will require sacrifice by all.

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LOL extinction from global warming. Looks like the fear mongers have you right where they want you.

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What would be the purpose of making up this phenomenon?

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What would be the purpose of making up this phenomenon?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm

This is a pretty big conspiracy if false.

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I agree that there is global warming. But I also think humans underestimate Mother Nature's ability to take care of itself. There is a lot of truth in George Carlin's rant from a few years ago.

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Ha, Carlin is the greatest. I recall him mentioning how if plastic isn't bio-degradable Earth will just adapt into a new ecosystem that incorporates plastic. The thing is, Earth isn't necessarily adapting to the needs of humans.

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$$$ is correct. I'm not denying its happening. I'm simply saying the effects and the dire consequences are being greatly exaggerated by those whose livelyhood is dependent on global warming being a dire issue.

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I don't even care a little bit.

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$$$ is correct. I'm not denying its happening. I'm simply saying the effects and the dire consequences are being greatly exaggerated by those whose livelyhood is dependent on global warming being a dire issue.

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This is quite possibly the most retarded argument I hear when it comes to global warming. Most of these people spent 4-5 of their post college years living off of what is probably a $6 an hour 'stipend' earning their Ph.D. only to get an academic job that pays less than an airplane mechanic when they could easily go into industry and earn a boatload more.

Anyone that makes the "lots of money" argument is absolutely clueless.

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Most of these people spent 4-5 of their post college years living off of what is probably a $6 an hour 'stipend' earning their Ph.D. only to get an academic job that pays less than an airplane mechanic when they could easily go into industry and earn a boatload more.

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Seems to me that if the "lots of money" argument were true, it should also apply to lots of other areas of scientific research. Why isn't the same accusation of exaggerating and alarmism leveled at biologists studying some aspect of cell function, or the developmental psychologist investigating how children acquire language? I mean, they or most other researchers are just as capable of trumping up alarming consequences of failure to fund their research. Why are climatologists singled out in that regard?

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I think any scientist who tacitly implies (or allows political figures to imply for him) "fund my research or the world may end shortly after I retire" should be treated with a great deal more skepticism than usual.

It's true that most scientists aren't in it for the money. But many of the things they are in it for can also be satisfied by government attention and funding.

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The idea that scientists are in it for the money is falicious. I have the most valuable undergraduate degree, but chose to pursue further study. My eye research is on the cutting edge and I'm proud of that, but it's far from scientific funding. There are many scientists in the same situation as me that can hardly be considered to be "in it for the money."

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The point is that funding may be required at some point for you to pursue that cutting edge research you want so badly to do (and recieve recognition for). How you spin your proposal vs. how your competitor spins his proposal for the same money is going to determine who gets to do the fun stuff, and who gets the massive teaching load for the next few years.

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Hmm...I've thought about this before, but I think it would be frowned upon to say you don't care at all about the future of the human race. The way I figure it, our extinction is pretty much inevitable right? So fighting against global warming seems like a donk sucking out on me: only delaying what is bound to happen. And about the validity of global warming, I forget which organization, but it was recently reported after a series of studies that global warming was more than 95% likely to be a real phenomenon, so I do not believe it is false, the question is, do you care more about yourself or the future of your race? Because stopping global warming will require sacrifice by all.

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LOL extinction from global warming. Looks like the fear mongers have you right where they want you.

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Most of the Global Warming Nutballs are the same IceAge nutballs from the 70's. Now that we didnt freeze....they go the other way and say we will drown all our coastlines....icecaps will melt blah blah blah. They were wrong back then, and they are likely wrong again. the earth has shifted temps up and down for ages. Siberia used to be good farmland,so was greenland. Maybe with the increased population of earth we will need that farmland again and global warming will save mankind from a horrific famine. I wish I was as smart as algore...invent the internet and then become the foremost climatology guru of the nutty left. Pretty soon I think he will perfect time travel (maybe he can go back in time and fix the problem) cause we all know he wont go ahead in time and come back and say he was wrong.

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This is quite possibly the most retarded argument I hear when it comes to global warming. Most of these people spent 4-5 of their post college years living off of what is probably a $6 an hour 'stipend' earning their Ph.D. only to get an academic job that pays less than an airplane mechanic when they could easily go into industry and earn a boatload more.

Anyone that makes the "lots of money" argument is absolutely clueless.

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Despite the use of words such as "retarded" and "clueless," this statement is actually quite misleading and is dismissive of a very real factor in academia. I am a beginning assistant professor. If I want to achieve tenure, then I must publish papers, mentor graduate students, and develop relationships with other researchers in my field, typically by attending and participating in conferences. Without grant money, that is going to be very difficult to do. Grant money will support research assistantships for graduate students. It will pay for travel expenses to conferences. And it will also pay my summer salary. Without a grant, I will either not be paid in the summer or I will have to teach, thereby lessening the number of papers I will be able to work on. In fact, in some universities, there may not be a guarantee that a summer teaching position will be available. I did not choose this field to become rich and I have no expectation that riches are coming my way. But if I want to stay in this field, then I need to persuade some committee somewhere that what I am doing is more important and more relevant than what my competitors are doing. If I knew that choosing a certain area or direction of research was virtually guaranteed to get my grant proposal rejected, then I would simply be unable to choose that direction at this stage in my career.

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Now that we didnt freeze....they go the other way and say we will drown all our coastlines....icecaps will melt blah blah blah.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Yea, sure my kids or grandkids may have to buy oceanfront property in Kansas, but how does that affect me?

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I don't have kids, but assuming global warming was true, wouldn't doing something about it be almost REQUIRED of a decent parent?

Leaving aside the argument of whether it's really a problem or not... let's assume for argument's sake that we all somehow KNOW that the most dire catastrophic predictions will all definitely come to pass, unless we make serious sacrifices now. How can a parent just ignore this?

It seems to me that any good parent would make the sacrifices if they knew the threat to their children was real. So either they don't think the threat is real, or they convince themsleves it's not, or some other mechanism that doesn't make them feel like their inaction is dooming their kids.

Again I'm not arguing the merits of the global warming debate, only that saying "It's my kids' problem not mine" would never fly for most parents (I think).

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Do you own property in Miami that you might want to pass on?

Your logic doesn't work with Environmentalists. They care about the future even if it doesn't concern them in the present.

I am concerned about Global Warming if it can be proven to be caused in part by man and can be reversed. If it is totally natural I will still be concerned about the possible consequences.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Now that we didnt freeze....they go the other way and say we will drown all our coastlines....icecaps will melt blah blah blah.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yep, you've basically managed to hit all of the "I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about but I sure do love big cars" highpoints. Congrats.

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This is true but there are thousands of well respected scientists that do.

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Other scientists are just as capable of warning of alarming outcomes of not funding their research. But the only ones being accsused of it seem to be the climate scientists.

There could be a few reasons for that. Among them: (a) Climate scientists are particularly opportunistic and greedy, so they are among a minority of scientists who make alarmist proclamations, (b) Most scientists make extreme, alarmist proclamations, but since there's a chance of significant amounts of tax money being spent to address those of the climate scientists, right wing ideologues only worry about them, (c) Though they're all human and bits of exaggeration and spin are inevitable, scientists, on the whole, don't make extreme, alarmist proclamations, but since there's a chance of significant tax money being spent on the concerns of climate scientists, right wing ideologues (and oil companies) accuse them of making such proclamations to try to discredit them and slow any such spending.

Since I haven't seen many warnings of a "world coming to an end" nature from climate scientists, and since tax money does get spent on things stemming from the findings of other scientists, I'm inclined to think third possibility is the more likely. There could be others. Someone might argue, for instance, that the nature of climate science provides particularly good opportunities for alarmism. But I think there are many other areas of research with equally good opportunities.

Also, consider how most of what we hear about this comes through the media. (unless we read the climate journals etc.) Seems to me it's only reasonable to expect more spin from political commentators and ideologues than from scientists, no matter how hard the latter try to engage in it. So isn't that logically where the lions share of the spin is coming from?

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yep, you've basically managed to hit all of the "I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about but I sure do love big cars" highpoints. Congrats.

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Well since I dont know what I'm talking about, maybe I should blindly believe all concensus and drive the big car I love so much off the edge of the earth, with Santa riding shotgun. Concensus says we are all doomed anyway, why delay the inevitable.

On the other hand maybe I could apply for a government grant to study the effects of global warming on the interior temperature of my SUV in the summertime. Or even better, I can study the correlation of global temperature and the size of female bathing suits. It seems pretty obvious to me that the earths rise in temp has caused bikinis to get much smaller. Can I get consesus agreement on that?

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I honestly don't care.

Human beings will adapt to whatever changes happen, either natural or man made.

I was in a natural history museum down in Florida a few months ago and they had this one part about the history of Florida's coastline.

Over the years (millions) the coastline of Florida has looked WICKED different. There have been times when it was much longer and fatter and times when it was much shorter and skinnier.

How Florida looks now is not magical or "correct" it's just how things are "right now" in time.

Sea levels rise and fall, that's gonna happen. Where Miami is right now will one day be COMPLETELY UNDERWATER, just as it was before.

The world will change and people will adapt, why? because we'll have to.

Whether or not humans speed up the process is really unimportant.

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Now that we didnt freeze....they go the other way and say we will drown all our coastlines....icecaps will melt blah blah blah.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yep, you've basically managed to hit all of the "I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about but I sure do love big cars" highpoints. Congrats.

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Well since I dont know what I'm talking about, maybe I should blindly believe all concensus and drive the big car I love so much off the edge of the earth, with Santa riding shotgun. Concensus says we are all doomed anyway, why delay the inevitable.

On the other hand maybe I could apply for a government grant to study the effects of global warming on the interior temperature of my SUV in the summertime. Or even better, I can study the correlation of global temperature and the size of female bathing suits. It seems pretty obvious to me that the earths rise in temp has caused bikinis to get much smaller. Can I get consesus agreement on that?

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Yeah, or you could just not blindly do anything, and educate yourself. Or you could blindly ignore evidence, blindly ignore theories, blindly ignore research. The blindly acting thing doesn't just go one way, you know?

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Now that we didnt freeze....they go the other way and say we will drown all our coastlines....icecaps will melt blah blah blah.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yep, you've basically managed to hit all of the "I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about but I sure do love big cars" highpoints. Congrats.

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Well since I dont know what I'm talking about, maybe I should blindly believe all concensus and drive the big car I love so much off the edge of the earth, with Santa riding shotgun. Concensus says we are all doomed anyway, why delay the inevitable.

On the other hand maybe I could apply for a government grant to study the effects of global warming on the interior temperature of my SUV in the summertime. Or even better, I can study the correlation of global temperature and the size of female bathing suits. It seems pretty obvious to me that the earths rise in temp has caused bikinis to get much smaller. Can I get consesus agreement on that?

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Yeah, or you could just not blindly do anything, and educate yourself. Or you could blindly ignore evidence, blindly ignore theories, blindly ignore research. The blindly acting thing doesn't just go one way, you know?

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So which theories should I educate myself on ...the ones from the 70s saying the earth will freeze, or the ones the same people now claim (we are going to bake)

The fact that a greenpeace cofounder denounces the orginaization today (actually about a decade now)leads me to be skeptical of any "facts" they put forth. the fact that there are anti-capitalists out in full force feeding the public these ideas makes me skeptical.
I guess my theory that the big yellow thing in the sky I see everyday that can turn my skin red has more to do with our planets temp, than CO2 is a simpletons point of view. How does that saying go? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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That's not what global warming predicts for the next 100 years. Those catastrophic changes aren't predicted to happen in our lifetimes.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the scientific consensus before rubbishing it.

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Where should I get this scientific concensus..."An Inconvenient Truth?" this seems to be the vessel of the enviromovement to get the masses on thier side.

And by the way...there are dozens and dozens of very well respected scientists who dont buy into the concensus theory presented as fact by the doomsday crowd.

Concensus does not equal truth...there used to be concensus that the earth was flat, and that the sun orbited the earth...there is also concensus in first grade classrooms that Santa exists. Hear something over and over, many people start to believe it, whether its true or not. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yep, you've basically managed to hit all of the "I have absolutely no clue what I am talking about but I sure do love big cars" highpoints. Congrats.

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Well since I dont know what I'm talking about, maybe I should blindly believe all concensus and drive the big car I love so much off the edge of the earth, with Santa riding shotgun. Concensus says we are all doomed anyway, why delay the inevitable.

On the other hand maybe I could apply for a government grant to study the effects of global warming on the interior temperature of my SUV in the summertime. Or even better, I can study the correlation of global temperature and the size of female bathing suits. It seems pretty obvious to me that the earths rise in temp has caused bikinis to get much smaller. Can I get consesus agreement on that?

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Yeah, or you could just not blindly do anything, and educate yourself. Or you could blindly ignore evidence, blindly ignore theories, blindly ignore research. The blindly acting thing doesn't just go one way, you know?

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So which theories should I educate myself on ...the ones from the 70s saying the earth will freeze, or the ones the same people now claim (we are going to bake)

The fact that a greenpeace cofounder denounces the orginaization today (actually about a decade now)leads me to be skeptical of any "facts" they put forth. the fact that there are anti-capitalists out in full force feeding the public these ideas makes me skeptical.
I guess my theory that the big yellow thing in the sky I see everyday that can turn my skin red has more to do with our planets temp, than CO2 is a simpletons point of view. How does that saying go? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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Yep, yer right, nevermind. I don't think you have the slightest idea who you hate. You think the climate research is being done by Greenpeace volunteers? You think the evidence in support of global cooling the 70's was anything like the evidence for global climate change right now? You think that CO2 causes sunburn?

Wouldn't want to blindly form opinions on things, would we?