Fancy Play Syndrome 10/20 hand
 

the shorstack is bad. money800, your assumptions about how money maker plays poker are probably right

PokerStars Game #8833423779: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/03/10 - 13:26:45 (ET)
Table 'Nephele V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Festivuss ($2314 in chips)
Seat 2: Aspirador ($314.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Taraka ($2000 in chips)
Seat 4: BirdBoy100 ($2267 in chips)
Seat 5: Money800 ($2352 in chips)
Seat 6: thebruiser ($3592 in chips)
Festivuss: posts small blind $10
Aspirador: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thebruiser [As Ks]
Taraka: folds
BirdBoy100: folds
Money800: calls $20
thebruiser: raises $60 to $80
Festivuss: folds
Aspirador: calls $60
Money800: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [2d 8d Ts]
Aspirador: bets $234.50 and is all-in
Money800: calls $234.50
thebruiser: raises $565.50 to $800

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ummm fold flop?

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I don't like it because money is an idiot who probably can't get away from any hand that might improve on the turn

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don't like it assuming money is stationy

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Bluffing a dry sidepot whose main pot you may have 25% equity?

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*** FLOP *** [2d 8s Ts]?

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With all seriousness, I think its only close if you think Chris is folding 90%+ of the time. Otherwise its a pretty clear fold.

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I play 10/20 on Party so I don't know about the PS games, but I really don't know why you don't fold this flop. This play makes no sense to me.
/NG

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nice metagame play

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the only thing i'minterested in is the results so i can see how meatheads play poker

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the more i think about it the more i like it.

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i understand it, but i still dont like it

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ugg.. looks like a large donation or way for moneymaker to play back at you to me.

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I think it's okay. Obviously can't be hugely +EV, but Money folds a decent amount here I think.

I may prefer a call since raising might get him to push you off of a hand with 7-10 outs.

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I'm traveling till next weekend, but I have a really funny hand on my computer about a month ago where I raise the sb with AJ he repops from bb I call flop J82 or some bad flop..it goes about 8 bets and he gets it all in with ak no flush draw. he is an idiot...unless this is for value(which if it was I'd think you were the f'n man) I fold. I don't bluff idiots anymore.

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the only thing i'minterested in is the results so i can see how meatheads play poker

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my friend you took the words right out of my mouth.

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the bruisman. He does nothing but make amusing posts sprinkled with bitter seeds of truth and yet still can garner strat advice (because of perhaps?)

keep on keepin on

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fukkeneh: FU

it would probably help to do someequity calculations here. money is a fish but maybe that just means he's making a loose/weak call on the flop.

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plus i think my equity is pretty dcent vs the small stack. he almos tnever has a set or two pair. he could have like QJ, 9J, any flush draw. his most likely hand is probably top pair but against that if money folds i am getting 3:1

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i think u can raise less and produce the same result.

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yeah just thinking the same thing raptor, to $600

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I really don't think moneymaker folds enough here to make this profitable

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I really don't think moneymaker folds enough here to make this profitable

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i actually think he folds a ton here, and by reducing the bet size from 800 to about 650 or so, he can do it a lot more often and doesnt have to get moneymaker to fold nearly as much. i think its a great play used sparingly of course.

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just fold the flop bruiza

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plus i think my equity is pretty dcent vs the small stack. he almos tnever has a set or two pair. he could have like QJ, 9J, any flush draw. his most likely hand is probably top pair but against that if money folds i am getting 3:1

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--which would make it a slight losing play. So if Money folds less than 100%, and we assume he can nearly always beat AK when he calls, it's probably a big losing play.

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plus i think my equity is pretty dcent vs the small stack. he almos tnever has a set or two pair. he could have like QJ, 9J, any flush draw. his most likely hand is probably top pair but against that if money folds i am getting 3:1

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right but he an easily have you crushed with pair + A,K kicker a lot.

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plus i think my equity is pretty dcent vs the small stack. he almos tnever has a set or two pair. he could have like QJ, 9J, any flush draw. his most likely hand is probably top pair but against that if money folds i am getting 3:1

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--which would make it a slight losing play. So if Money folds less than 100%, and we assume he can nearly always beat AK when he calls, it's probably a big losing play.

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so because monkey maker folds less that 100% of the time and he can beat AK, its a "losing play"? 100% not true. and try useing words like -EV in the long run and not losing play. obv u have no clue what moneys range is here and the bruser is leaning twords a drawing hand, so why repop? also i think the raise to 800 is good, 600 might not get the fold that i think u want

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fold flop.

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you guys are so lazy. responses from people that play 2/4 nl "fold the flop" are not helpful. i know it's hard for people with such limited brain capacity, but try to remember to not do it again.

http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=td+...%0Atc+js%0D%0A

and pot odds are 3:1 so this is even money. if he has 9j i am 52% favorite, if he has 56 flush draw i am 42% to win the pot. 52% equity is a profit of $230. so let's say shorty mcLoser has semibluff half the time and a hand half the time, i win $125. say I actually raised to $600, so money needs to fold 80% of the time or so for it to be a profitable play (assuming i have no equity if he calls). in the hand money pushed all in with A5 flush draw

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edit: oops

what did SS have

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god 2p2 is full of meatheadz

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T7

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so because monkey maker folds less that 100% of the time and he can beat AK, its a "losing play"? 100% not true. and try useing words like -EV in the long run and not losing play. obv u have no clue what moneys range is here and the bruser is leaning twords a drawing hand, so why repop? also i think the raise to 800 is good, 600 might not get the fold that i think u want

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lol at your quibbling with semantics. I have no clue what money's range is? It's top pair+, OESD, or flush draw. Maybe 99/88 but probably not, since shorty's range is far and away weighted toward tens and flush draws. That's the problem in my mind with Bruiser's play; shorty has a T so often here, and a flush draw once in a while, but when he has a flush draw, money usually has a T.

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god 2p2 is full of meatheadz

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my meatpants are excited

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did you just get outplayed by moneymaker?

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you guys are so lazy. responses from people that play 2/4 nl "fold the flop" are not helpful. i know it's hard for people with such limited brain capacity, but try to remember to not do it again.

http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=td+...%0Atc+js%0D%0A

and pot odds are 3:1 so this is even money. if he has 9j i am 52% favorite, if he has 56 flush draw i am 42% to win the pot. 52% equity is a profit of $230. so let's say shorty mcLoser has semibluff half the time and a hand half the time, i win $125. say I actually raised to $600, so money needs to fold 80% of the time or so for it to be a profitable play (assuming i have no equity if he calls). in the hand money pushed all in with A5 flush draw

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I actually like moneymakers flop play here a lot more than i like bruisers....Bruiser doesn't have to fold much here to make this a very profitable play for money.

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This is so ridiculously above my head so I'm just going to say that Danny is my hero and leave it at that.

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well thanks for adding that