$15-$30 hand from the Bellagio..anyone play it differently?
 

Hi everyone,

I played this hand last night at the Bellagio. The game was a new must move $15-$30 game.

Since I normally do not play this limit, I decided when I sat down to limit my variance I would play in a very abc style preflop and play my own "style" post-flop.

In the same orbit as this hand I had AA in middle position. I raised preflop and bet every street and won in a showdown.

I now had AA in the big blind after 5 players limped to me. I raised. UTG now limp-re-raised, a loose woman called from early mid position he re-raised, everyone folded to me.

What should I do?

Would anyone consider calling his re-raise (he most likely has QQ KK or AK) and check calling the flop with the intention of check raising the river?

He is a huge underdog against anything I have unless he has AA. If he has KK I can check call his flop bet and check raise him on the turn. The only variable is the loose player. What could she have? A pair? Suited connectors? Maybe she has a hand like 99-QQ or AQ.

I decided that I wanted to stick to my game plan and play straight forward. I three bet and he capped. The loose lady called. Side note, it took me a bit to get used to that. The rules in Atlantic City go a bet and three raises before betting gets capped. In Las Vegas the action goes a bet and four raises before action gets capped. I said cap, and the dealer corrected me and said I could only re-raise, only he or she could cap.

Flop came with 3 innocuous looking cards.

I bet he raised loose lady called I had a premature ejaculation and three bet. He called the loose woman folded. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I bet the turn and river. He did have KK.

Who would have called the flop raise with the intention of check raising the turn?

If I check raise the turn, I pick up one perhaps one or two extra big bets from the loose woman.

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Standard.. betting the flop is great so UTG can 2bet forcing the loose lady to make mistakes and get extra value for youre hand. I cant believe she mucked to 1 more bet though.. Nice hand.

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Since I normally do not play this limit, I decided when I sat down to limit my variance I would play in a very abc style preflop and play my own "style" post-flop.

I now had AA in the big blind after 5 players limped to me. I raised. UTG now limp-re-raised, a loose woman called from early mid position he re-raised, everyone folded to me.

What should I do?

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Drop down a limit.

Welcome to the forum,
Joe Tall

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cap cap cap cap cap. Limp-reraise does not always mean AK/KK/QQ. cap cap cap cap cap for value.

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Your probably right.

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Since I normally do not play this limit, I decided when I sat down to limit my variance I would play in a very abc style preflop and play my own "style" post-flop.

I now had AA in the big blind after 5 players limped to me. I raised. UTG now limp-re-raised, a loose woman called from early mid position he re-raised, everyone folded to me.

What should I do?

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Drop down a limit.

Welcome to the forum,
Joe Tall

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Players tend to not take shots at higher limits early enough or often enough. I suspect Mike's played plenty long to be able to handle a live 15-30 game.

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I suspect Mike's played plenty long to be able to handle a live 15-30 game.

Thanks for the kind words.

It kind of surprised me how soft the 15 game was at the Bellagio. I checked out the 15 game at the Wynn Sunday, and they had only one game and it seemed pretty tough.

I did pretty well in the Bellagio game. The deck did hit me in the face however. I won a few action pots with unimproved AK.

I would have played the 10 game at the Mirage if they had one. They had one game and it did not look like anyone would leave for anytime soon.

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So your "premature ejaculation" on the flop made the "loose lady" fold.
hmm. nh

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Players tend to not take shots at higher limits early enough or often enough. I suspect Mike's played plenty long to be able to handle a live 15-30 game.

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Dave,

I've known Mike for a long time and just being my jackazz self.

-JT

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5 limpers?

With so much dead money in the pot, I think you just bet bet bet until someone shows you the error of your ways. Especially with the 4 raise cap, I four bet my BB and hope that UTG caps it off. At this point, if hes reasonably strong, he will raise you on the flop and you can three bet. You've basically tipped off your hand and there is no reason to introduce any fancy plays at this point.

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wtf is this post from 5 years ago?

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I play this hand differntly.

First of all, you said you raised and he limp reraised, did you 4 bet and he cap? I'm not sure I understadn the pf play correctly b/c you said you 3 bet and he capped. Which is it?

I wouldn't go ahead and 3 bet the flop. Its pretty obvious he's got an overpair. Since you've got AA its unlikely there are going to be many overcards to his pair. I like to smooth call the flop and c/r the turns knowing he's betting the turn 100% of the time

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wtf is this post from 5 years ago?

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Mike might be register member #8 on here but the post is new.

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I play this hand differntly.

I posted this hand for that reason, to see if anyone would play this a little "trickier".

I'm not sure I understadn the pf play correctly b/c you said you 3 bet and he capped. Which is it?

I played the hand in Las Vegas the action goes three bets and then a cap. I declared cap, thinking I capped action.

I wouldn't go ahead and 3 bet the flop. Its pretty obvious he's got an overpair. Since you've got AA its unlikely there are going to be many overcards to his pair. I like to smooth call the flop and c/r the turns knowing he's betting the turn 100% of the time

After I reviewed the hand in my head, I realized I might have gotten more money check raising the turn.

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wtf is this post from 5 years ago?

More like three. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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hey mike, id offer some advice but i dont know how to play this game anymore

hope things are well

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hey mike, id offer some advice but i dont know how to play this game anymore

Sure you do, lay it on me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

hope things are well

Always. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You've basically tipped off your hand and there is no reason to introduce any fancy plays at this point.

Exactly why I played the hand as I did. I already pretty much said, I have aces.

I did have Aces a few hands earlier. This is what caused me to think about how I played them this time.

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Mike,

I can see the merits of capping and calling PF, but I think capping and playing it straightfoward are best since there are so many people.

Yes, you are in a good position to C/R an innoculous board at your choosing, but that might not always be the case, and with 5 other players in, you might be behind unknowingly and get pwned by some BS hand.

Since you just called and he raised your bet on the flop, I would C/R the turn and find Fred G. Sanford to high-five after you collect many bets from UTG.

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I played the hand in Las Vegas the action goes three bets and then a cap. I declared cap, thinking I capped action.


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The cap is 5 bets in Vegas.

Edit: Just reread and realized you clarified that. Anyway I'd definitely 4-bet preflop. Gives him a chance to 5bet with his premium.

Given how you played it I wouldn't 3bet the flop. Seems like an easy turn checkraise.

Rob

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Given that 4-betting isn't a cap, I like it much better, but I've never played in Vegas so I don't know what 4-bets are usually taken for.

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Given how you played it I wouldn't 3bet the flop. Seems like an easy turn checkraise.

Thats why I posted that I had a "premature ejaculation" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Given that 4-betting isn't a cap, I like it much better, but I've never played in Vegas so I don't know what 4-bets are usually taken for.

Considering how tight I play, most players who have played with me know that chances are I hold Aces or Kings.

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Even so, I think not 4-betting gives up a lot, especially if UTG+1 might 5-bet.

In that case, I think a "premature ejactulation" would be warrented and would just become an ejactulation.

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In the heat of battle a man finds out a lot about himself.

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Given that 4-betting isn't a cap, I like it much better, but I've never played in Vegas so I don't know what 4-bets are usually taken for.

Considering how tight I play, most players who have played with me know that chances are I hold Aces or Kings.

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well then it might be to your advantage to loosen up pf in spot or two. it's not like opponents need to see you 4 betting 45s or something. just raise or 3bet a bit more and when you do 4 bet or 5 bet, it doesn't put them "on guard" so quickly because they've seen you up the stakes in pf situations before.

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well then it might be to your advantage to loosen up pf in spot or two. it's not like opponents need to see you 4 betting 45s or something. just raise or 3bet a bit more and when you do 4 bet or 5 bet, it doesn't put them "on guard" so quickly because they've seen you up the stakes in pf situations before.

Something I continually attempt to work towards.

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" More like three."

ok, so im not trippin and ive read this hand before or no?

also, since the first 3 posters were u, clark, and joet, i thought i was an intern back in a cublicle happy to read the lastest new post. i remember when you could read every post for the week before lunch, back before registration.

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Victor,

You have not read this post before. It has been about 3 years since I have had anything to post in this forum.

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Given that 4-betting isn't a cap, I like it much better, but I've never played in Vegas so I don't know what 4-bets are usually taken for.

Considering how tight I play, most players who have played with me know that chances are I hold Aces or Kings.

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well then it might be to your advantage to loosen up pf in spot or two. it's not like opponents need to see you 4 betting 45s or something. just raise or 3bet a bit more and when you do 4 bet or 5 bet, it doesn't put them "on guard" so quickly because they've seen you up the stakes in pf situations before.

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A little off topic but this brings up a good point. I don't have to 4bet a lot to get no respect for my 4bets. In other words, I do so much 3 betting, that when I 4 bet no one puts me on a tight range, even though that's exactly what I have.

So basically I don't think you ever have to loosen up your 4 betting range to get action with your big hands, just your 3 betting range, and even just your open raising range.

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Victor,

You have not read this post before. It has been about 3 years since I have had anything to post in this forum.

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I thought you quit playing poker? I'm so confused [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I thought you quit playing poker? I'm so confused

I never "quit" I just did not have the free time to devote to playing or studying poker. If I can't give something 100%, I would sooner not do it.

Things have evened out a bit for me and now I have some free time to degenerate slightly. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I now had AA in the big blind after 5 players limped to me. I raised. UTG now limp-re-raised, a loose woman called from early mid position he re-raised, everyone folded to me.

What should I do?

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As Clark said Mike, I'm sure that 15 game fits you like a glove. You know AA going 5-6 is far from the nuts.

You play it the same way you would any other lower mid-limit game and expect the same results. You either drag a huge pot with the best starting hand, or watch some lucky fool drag it thinking he's got it all figured out.

FWIW - the guys who LRR from UTG or MP in those games with hands like QJs or 76s make me laugh. Call them down every time and watch them shake their head because they can't believe how unlucky they are not to run down AA. Just once for Christ's sake.

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At this limit you need to get in as many bets as possible when holding the best hand, deception goes way down in value. However, smoothing callin the second raise from out of positon against an agressive opponent has its merits if he will raise your flop lead, putting pressure on the lady who has position. It all depends on how you want to control the action with your hand out of positon.

I also think it is important to have a well thought out game plan before the action gets to you for as many default situations as possible. You want to be agble to make these decisons in game tempo as you move up in stakes.

Personally, i probably would have cold called the reraise preflop and went from there. But against loose players or poor hand readers, putting in as many bets as possiblewith the nuts is never really "wrong".

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pf is fine of course.

i think you flop 3bet is fine and gets the most bets from weaker pairs like 88 since you string thtem along for one bet at a time whereas they can fold the turn cr.

secondly, if he has kk he may 4bet and then you can cr the turn. or he may raise your turn bet and you can 3bet. of course, if the turn was ten thru k i wouldnt be reraising.