FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

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Game #1937561389: Table Derbyhill (6 max) - $50/$100 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:37:57 ET - 2007/03/07
Seat 1: bb_ShiNing ($2,345)
Seat 2: ihateMafiagames ($4,804.50)
Seat 3: KOMIJENDO ($40,860.50)
Seat 4: jinsokkp ($18,435.50)
Seat 5: The Gift of Gab ($12,041)
Seat 6: Mike Matusow ($12,591.95)
KOMIJENDO posts the small blind of $50
jinsokkp posts the big blind of $100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jinsokkp [Ad, Kc]
The Gift of Gab folds
Mike Matusow folds
bb_ShiNing folds
ihateMafiagames raises to $300
KOMIJENDO calls $250
jinsokkp raises to $1,500
ihateMafiagames folds
KOMIJENDO has 15 seconds left to act
KOMIJENDO calls $1,200
*** FLOP *** [Td 3d 7h]
KOMIJENDO checks
jinsokkp checks
*** TURN *** [Td 3d 7h] [Kd]
KOMIJENDO checks
<font color="red"> jinsokkp bets $1888 </font>
KOMIJENDO raises to $6,000
jinsokkp has 15 seconds left to act
jinsokkp calls $4,112
*** RIVER *** [Td 3d 7h Kd] [Qc]
KOMIJENDO bets $15,300
jinsokkp has 15 seconds left to act... (10.1K for me to call)


Commments: On the turn, I wasn't sure if checking or betting is better. Villan is Komijendo who's a super loose player (34/22) and kind of aggressive. He does things like calls super preflop reraises OOP with suited connectors. I haven't seen him bluff big this session. I felt like while there was value in betting the turn, after I did it, I felt like it was so easy for him to force me off of what I'm representing (Naked Ace Diamond or AK with no diamond). So a check is the only fundamentally correct play here, right?

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

i think you have to call against villain you described because from his perspective your hand looks sooo transparent that air makes up large % of his range

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

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Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

Hey Jinso. Because you checked the flop, your hand is pretty transparent in my opinion. Komijendo is a loose player like your stats showed, and is also a thinking player and realizes you probably had two overcards when you checked the flop. Komijendo is capable of a bunch of holdings, and I think its really close between calling and folding. What does he think of you, and what was your current image at the table? Does he feel you would only check behind on the flop with a couple overs? If you feel he puts you on AK, I would actually lean towards calling.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

komi is tough, I do think though that he probably has it here a lot. I usually fold in this spot.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

GROSS spot.

Flop - why not c-bet?

Turn
I like a turn push if hero doesn't think villan has it on the turn.

BUT, the turn call coupled with hero's "value bet" read suggests hero thinks villan has it.

River
What does hero beat except air? If, as it seems, hero thinks villan has it, FOLD.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

As played I call turn, fold river.

But I think I check the turn and get a bet in on the river.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

wow I had no idea you were jinsokkp, what was your party name? I forgot, you've improved 10x fold since party days I forgot your old party name but I know you improved tons. PM me your party name if you dont want it known

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

Wow this hand is really weird. Looks like a fold on the river though.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

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Wow this hand is really weird. Looks like a fold on the river though.

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If we were villain, what hand range would we give Hero? I think it would be a very weak hand range which makes this a call on the river for me. I think if we had JJ it would be a more difficult decision.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

I'm always betting this flop with your image and those stack sizes.....there's def an argument to check turn but it's very close imo, I'd fold river, I think he has a flush/set most of the time

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

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As played I call turn, fold river.

But I think I check the turn and get a bet in on the river.

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Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

based on his reraise preflop, what is his range of holdings? If you know hes capable of reraising out of position preflop with hands like 76dd or JTs, i think you should reraise him preflop, and if he repushes you can safely fold. If you think his reraising range preflop in that spot is TT-AA, AK, AQ, AJ, i like the smooth call preflop. On the flop his check could mean a lot of things, but i think betting out would have gotten you a lot of information about his hand. On turn he checks again, and since you are still unsure about his holding and u have a draw to the nuts that you dont want to get raised off of, i like checking this turn, and then either checking the river down, value betting it if u make ur flush, or calling a bet from him if say the board pairs or a blank comes, as long as its pot size or less. Betting the turn should put you in a very tough spot, because you know he could be doing this with air, and now ur nut flush draw just got very expensive. I like the idea of keeping this pot as small as possible with ur one pair and not much info about his possible holdings.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

I never really read/post on 2p2 but im trying to mentor a friend into playing poker so im looking for some intersting articles. jin if you played on PP i'd be inersted to know your name too. if you dont mind PM me just for curiousity. i really respect you game on ftp as well. i ususally never respond but fwiw here's my take. i'd cbet flop and if he c/c i'd check turn behind, assuming he checks. if he lead i'd call. the river decision would be v. tough. however the way it was played I think you have to call here sometimes. i think the only way to decide is the texture of the secession. vs a player like that w/ his stats i think he's capable of a lot there. i think the factor taht makes it a call is that he has you on AK at best. I think he assumes you'd bet the flop w/ top set. like you said, he has you on AK (diamond or no diamond) at best. the Q makes you effectively beat nothing so if he's making a play he knows you beat nothing on the river. i think its v. close but your getting 2:1 so i'd lean toward call. i have him on air or set and i think i lean toward making him show me a hand. results?

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

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I never really read/post on 2p2 but im trying to mentor a friend into playing poker so im looking for some intersting articles. jin if you played on PP i'd be inersted to know your name too. if you dont mind PM me just for curiousity. i really respect you game on ftp as well. i ususally never respond but fwiw here's my take. i'd cbet flop and if he c/c i'd check turn behind, assuming he checks. if he lead i'd call. the river decision would be v. tough. however the way it was played I think you have to call here sometimes. i think the only way to decide is the texture of the secession. vs a player like that w/ his stats i think he's capable of a lot there. i think the factor taht makes it a call is that he has you on AK at best. I think he assumes you'd bet the flop w/ top set. like you said, he has you on AK (diamond or no diamond) at best. the Q makes you effectively beat nothing so if he's making a play he knows you beat nothing on the river. i think its v. close but your getting 2:1 so i'd lean toward call. i have him on air or set and i think i lean toward making him show me a hand. results?

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Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

call.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

You appear to be playing scared this hand. If the villain picked up on it then your hand is very transparent. I am more in favor of folding river. It is close and depends. You have to bet this flop and not fear a raise.

Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?
 

how often do you see J9 here, or Q10 with the Q diamonds? I hate it but i think its a fold.