Poker is harder?
 

I think poker has become easier for my style. I think its much easier now to see what my opps have and play accordingly.

I think that all the threads about poker being harder now are coming from HUD bot players who do not know how to play poker. Lets examine a HUD bot player. They play 4-8+ tables and play very few hands post flop. This style of playing is now not very profitable and I love it.

Also, in muddywaters latest video at 2/4 NL on pstars, he took down $1300 in that session--poker must be dying.

Poker is like life in many ways. It will go through cycles and if you cannot adjust find a new hobby.

Learn to play poker and you will be fine and please quit whining about how hard poker has become.

cheers
Boon

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Maybe he just had a good session? I have yet to play w/ fish that were as bas as the ones in that video (post-Party). He ran into 2 tricky spots in however many hands he logged. Talk to me when they post the videos w/ sessions that involve set over set, every draw missed, top pair shoving turn and getting outdrawn by a terrible luckbox.


Maybe you should go and read his blog about the downswings he went through last year. You're an optimistic moron noob, GOOD DAY!

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Maybe you should go and read his blog about the downswings he went through last year. You're an optimistic moron noob, GOOD DAY!

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Why are you so angry?

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Also, in muddywaters latest video at 2/4 NL on pstars, he took down $1300 in that session--poker must be dying.


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Link please...

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Sounds like somebody is running well. Even the best players in the world go through swings that make them frustrated with this game. You seem to have figured it out though, well done sir.

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Also, in muddywaters latest video at 2/4 NL on pstars, he took down $1300 in that session--poker must be dying.


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Link please...

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cardrunners.com

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The truth is that games will always change over time. There will be those who can adjust and profit, and there will be those that were marginally good players and become losers. If you can't figure out which one you are then you are probably the 2007 version of a fish.

I am just tired of all the Poker can't be beat anymore threads. Of course it can, people may just need to adjust their game and focus a little more.

Re: Poker is harder?
 

Poker is way harder than it was 2 years ago. I can remember watching 1000 no limit games where every 3-4 hands someone would 3 bet all in preflop with A9o. Please direct me to those games.

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Also, in muddywaters latest video at 2/4 NL on pstars, he took down $1300 in that session--poker must be dying.

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Phew, I was scared there for a second. This obviously proves that poker is still very profitable...

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you're a moron?

1. not everyone can be good at poker
2. why would you tell the multi tablers to play better when you say they just win you money?
3. You act like you can't have a good session and win 3 BI even when the games are hard
4. It isn't opinion, it's more of a fact that the games have gotten harder.
5. They should still be beatable, but don't freak out on people whose winrate has changed
6. Who is whining?

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you're a moron?

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ahh..someone needs a nappy.

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1. not everyone can be good at poker

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OK. Find another hobby instead of whining about it at 2+2.

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2. why would you tell the multi tablers to play better when you say they just win you money?

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playing against table full of HUD bots = +EV.
HUD bots are by definition not able to get better.

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3. You act like you can't have a good session and win 3 BI even when the games are hard

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NO. I am saying the good sessions are still there to be had, you just have to adapt your game--OK.

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4. It isn't opinion, it's more of a fact that the games have gotten harder.

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and you asked if I was the moron..lol. Its fact is it..hahaha.

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5. They should still be beatable, but don't freak out on people whose winrate has changed

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if your winrate has changed that obviously means your game hasn't..eh..that logic stuff..bleh.

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6. Who is whining?

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LOL. Lots of posts about how poker is so hard now a days. People are quitting the game because its so hard. Cry me a river of tears...bleh.

Become creative in your game or find another hobby.

cheers
Boon

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Phew, I was scared there for a second. This obviously proves that poker is still very profitable...

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Phew..I was scared for a whole minute. Now I feel better. I will go slooowwwlly with this--OK. SLOWLY.

Poker is a game of skill--s-k-i-l-l. If your winrate has dropped over long term n # of hands then perhaps you need to focus on your game instead of whining so much--OK. Maybe..now maybe..its possible what you thought was not a leak against A9o all in donks--might be a leak against better opponents...just a maybe--OK...bleh.

cheers
Boon

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As one of those "hud bots" let me say a hud bot by playing 7x more poker and seeing 7x more situations then you is going to become more skillfull than you, sorry to burst your bubble. Also if amount of leaks of other players go down only so much an edge your skill can give you. Enjoy life in your hole where you play 200 hands a day and have yet to experience a swing....

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Sounds like OP needs to learn about sample sizes.

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While the games are still profitable for the best players, they are not nearly as profitable.

Poker profits come from somewhere. They come out of the stacks of inferior players.

You MUST have losers in order to have winners, this is a fact.

The games ARE getting tougher. There are less fish now than 2 years ago and the average caliber of player is higher now than before.

The best players will still win, but their winrates will possible go down.

The mediocre players who won before might very well be losers now. The rake and lack of abundant horrible players will make it so.

There are still horrible players of course, but not nearly as plentiful as the Party Poker glory days.

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Sounds like OP needs to learn about sample sizes.

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Or maybe missed the "brag" part of BBV, which is the perfect venue for this not-even-thinly disguised "I r00lz, u sux0rz" post.

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As one of those "hud bots" let me say a hud bot by playing 7x more poker and seeing 7x more situations then you is going to become more skillfull than you, sorry to burst your bubble. Also if amount of leaks of other players go down only so much an edge your skill can give you. Enjoy life in your hole where you play 200 hands a day and have yet to experience a swing....

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If you are one of the HUDbots that can devote the same attention to all 7 tables as you can to 1, then hats off to you. You are truly a gifted, intelligent individual.

Most people's level of attention that they can pay to each table decreases as they add more tables. Therefore, more tables = Less attention paid to each one = more mistakes. If a newish learning player is playing more tables, he may see more situations, but he'll be so busy trying to keep his head above water with all the tables going on that he won't think enough about or even recognize those tougher situations.

If the games you are playing in are more difficult, then the regular player will need to decrease his number of tables in order to maintain the same winnrate as the tougher games will require greater concentration and focus.

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Sounds like OP needs to learn about sample sizes.

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nice try--the trolls are even lacking on 2+2 these days.

cheers
Boon

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Or maybe missed the "brag" part of BBV, which is the perfect venue for this not-even-thinly disguised "I r00lz, u sux0rz" post.

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nice try--are you trolls related. The post is in response to all of the idiotic whiny "poker is hard now" posts.

cheers
Boon

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As one of those "hud bots" let me say a hud bot by playing 7x more poker and seeing 7x more situations then you is going to become more skillfull than you, sorry to burst your bubble.

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you think playing 7x more mediocre poker is better than me playing 1 or 2 tables of good poker? bleh..

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Also if amount of leaks of other players go down only so much an edge your skill can give you.


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There will always be an edge..you just have to find it/know how to exploit it.

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Enjoy life in your hole where you play 200 hands a day and have yet to experience a swing....

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hole..bleh. I will miss you A.D.D (hud bot) poker players..you will either adapt or die.

cheers
Boon

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Or maybe missed the "brag" part of BBV, which is the perfect venue for this not-even-thinly disguised "I r00lz, u sux0rz" post.

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nice try--are you trolls related. The post is in response to all of the idiotic whiny "poker is hard now" posts.

cheers
Boon

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Well, then it sounds like the post would be a fitting reply to one of those threads, no?

Or is posting your counterargument to another thread's thesis within that very thread "harder now?"

As a standalone post, this perfectly fits BBV, because it comes off as "I am awesome and you pokertracker dorks suck" content.

Enjoy!

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you think playing 7x more mediocre poker is better than me playing 1 or 2 tables of good poker? bleh..

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if their edge is 1/6 of yours, that would follow, yes

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Well, then it sounds like the post would be a fitting reply to one of those threads, no?

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I was thinking the same thing. In case you care, I suspect the reason you're getting such negative responses is the lack of context. Why not post this IN one of those "whiny threads"?

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Talk to me when they post the videos w/ sessions that involve set over set, every draw missed, top pair shoving turn and getting outdrawn by a terrible luckbox.


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So you're saying if I find a table where I can shove the turn with TP, and always get called by worse hands, that this is bad for my bottom line? How?

You are confusing variance with profitability. If you are actively leaving tables with lots of "luckboxes" that call your turn shoves with worse hands, then maybe that explains why you think poker has gotten harder, and you can't find any fish.

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you think playing 7x more mediocre poker is better than me playing 1 or 2 tables of good poker? bleh..

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if their edge is 1/6 of yours, that would follow, yes

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POTD

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if their edge is 1/6 of yours, that would follow, yes

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a nice pithy response...in post UIGEA, most hud bots do not have that kind of edge over their opponents-thus a moot point..if they did then why all the crying.

cheers
Boon

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Myself I have never gotten to 12+ tables, but I maitained 6 for a long time just because I felt that was the max I could pay attention to without missing to many bets. Yes the game has changed IMO. So I have dropped to 4 tables and have made more money then when I was playing 6 tables. I am not missing as many steal opportunties and 3bets I used too.
Of course back when the fish pop was higher, it was no biggie, but the are less mistakes made by others now so I have to change my style.

I think adapation needs to be done and I have. The winners will always adapt.

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OP is the whiner?

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If HUD bots become the 2007 fish at medium/small stakes, I will consider poker officially dead.

It doesn't have to be unprofitable, it just has to be not profitable enough to be worth the time invested learning it.

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I think poker has become easier for my style. I think its much easier now to see what my opps have and play accordingly.

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Let me guess, you play bad lag.

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if their edge is 1/6 of yours, that would follow, yes

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a nice pithy response...in post UIGEA, most hud bots do not have that kind of edge over their opponents-thus a moot point..if they did then why all the crying.

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oddly enough, I haven't seen any 'hudbots' crying. lots of tuff fish crying about hudbots, though. maybe I've got tuff fish confused with a hudbot?

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Myself I have never gotten to 12+ tables, but I maitained 6 for a long time just because I felt that was the max I could pay attention to without missing to many bets. Yes the game has changed IMO. So I have dropped to 4 tables and have made more money then when I was playing 6 tables. I am not missing as many steal opportunties and 3bets I used too.
Of course back when the fish pop was higher, it was no biggie, but the are less mistakes made by others now so I have to change my style.

I think adapation needs to be done and I have. The winners will always adapt.

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You are absolutely correct and elegant in your statement. Well done!

cheers
Boon

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Dude,you are sick of all the poker is tougher threads so you create one,great.On the rise:Quality of Online Poker...On the decline:Quality of threads on 2+2

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If HUD bots become the 2007 fish at medium/small stakes, I will consider poker officially dead.

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If HUD bots become the 2007 fish at medium/small stakes, I will consider poker officially dead.

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QFT again
and to add:

When every 6max game has 4-5 regulars and 1 shortstack (see FTP 200nl+) poker is dead.

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One note on OP, he is either a troll, or just a big idiot. As of now, I can't really tell.

OP- While I vaguely agree with your point (adjusting is important in poker), I believe you have a twisted notion of poker that it is ALL about adjusting. Like Aba said, 90% of poker is just sound mechanical poker, and the rest is making irratic plays at specific opponents. The HUDBOTs, having seen more hands, probably have better fundamental skills than you do, and to win at poker, that's all you need, especially at middle stakes (granted, at higher stakes, winning depends more on thinking on high levels). Now, the statement that games have become tougher is true because no matter how much you "adjust", you can't bend these fundamental laws of poker or you become a losing player. They must remain intact, and even as one follows the fundamentals strictly, presently he simply cannot win as much as before because the average poker player have become better. It has become harder to stack players with sets and overpair because, when before, fish would felt it with any pair, now they need top pair and good kicker before they felt it. This alone, has decreased not just the HUDBOT's winrates, but everyone's. It affects all players, and not just the "mechanical ones." You can only adjust and bend the rules so much before you cross the line and start making -ev plays (fancy play syndrome).

Also, please refrain from claiming only people who agree with you as absolutely correct. It makes you look asinine and a complete tool.

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One note on OP, he is either a troll, or just a big idiot. As of now, I can't really tell.

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1. an ad hom attack and typical--useless fallacy

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Like Aba said, 90% of poker is just sound mechanical poker, and the rest is making irratic plays at specific opponents. The HUDBOTs, having seen more hands, probably have better fundamental skills than you do, and to win at poker, that's all you need, especially at middle stakes

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2. Argument from authority--useless fallacy

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Now, the statement that games have become tougher is true because no matter how much you "adjust", you can't bend these fundamental laws of poker or you become a losing player.

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3. incorrect--lol

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They must remain intact, and even as one follows the fundamentals strictly, presently he simply cannot win as much as before because the average poker player have become better.

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4. Gus Hansen

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You can only adjust and bend the rules so much before you cross the line and start making -ev plays (fancy play syndrome).

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5. Gus hansen


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Also, please refrain from claiming only people who agree with you as absolutely correct. It makes you look asinine and a complete tool.

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6. I think your HUD is calling...


cheers
Boon

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Did you just take Writing 100A in your public university? I'm kinda flattered you just did a full rhetorical analysis of my post.

Nevertheless, I'm amused and will bite.

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One note on OP, he is either a troll, or just a big idiot. As of now, I can't really tell.

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1. an ad hom attack and typical--useless fallacy

Useless, none the less fun to use.

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Like Aba said, 90% of poker is just sound mechanical poker, and the rest is making irratic plays at specific opponents. The HUDBOTs, having seen more hands, probably have better fundamental skills than you do, and to win at poker, that's all you need, especially at middle stakes

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2. Argument from authority--useless fallacy

Not useless. Someone with more experience in poker is bound to know something you don't know. I'm sure David Cross knows hellavu more about comedy than I do and has some truth to what he says.

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Now, the statement that games have become tougher is true because no matter how much you "adjust", you can't bend these fundamental laws of poker or you become a losing player.

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3. incorrect--lol

Is this even a counter-argument? Nice use of lol, however, it really adds to your point.

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They must remain intact, and even as one follows the fundamentals strictly, presently he simply cannot win as much as before because the average poker player have become better.

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4. Gus Hansen.

See next point

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You can only adjust and bend the rules so much before you cross the line and start making -ev plays (fancy play syndrome).

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5. Gus hansen

Besides finding an easy way out and adding nothing to your argument, you've oblivious to the fact that Gus does play good sound poker most of the time. You are simply clouded by the masterfully editing done by the Travel Channel's editing team. Even he admits that he's not as buck wild as T.V makes him seem.

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Also, please refrain from claiming only people who agree with you as absolutely correct. It makes you look asinine and a complete tool.

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6. I think your HUD is calling...

an ad hom attack and typical--useless fallacy

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Overall, your counter-argument is full of red herring--useless fallacy.

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boondoggles what stakes are u playing?

in smaller stakes it's all about grinding. if you play higher medium stakes or high stakes you may be right.
don't generalize.

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Why has this thread not been locked yet? OP give basically no evidence for his claim and all the replies are just one sarcastic comment after another. Overall a terrible, terrible thread.

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2+2 /= OOT