Lee Jones Winning Low Limit Hold\'em
 

has anyone else read the latest edition of the Lee Jones "winning low limit hold'em" book (3rd ed) and what did you think of it in terms of content and also perhaps improvements over previous editions? Also, to what limit level could the book be used as a general strategy guide?

I've read the book and have applied it very successfully to the micro limits, i've found that sometimes when i stray from some of the fairly conservative advice i actually leak a lot of chips, but there are also occassions, such as betting mid-pair against one or two relatively weak opponents that i've actually won a few extra bets as well.

Furthermore, i haven't really specifically delved into the SitnGo section of the book as i feel it was more of a space filler then a good SitnGo introductory strategy section.

There were a few other sections that i don't exactly follow either such as the raising for value on a flush draw plus i feel there's not enuf material on playing from the blinds... However, i do believe the starting hand chart is really good and the general postflop advice is very good starting point and for me has been really good for the micro limits- what are some other views on this book?

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This is a decent beginners book, but if you want to progress any higher than 3/6 online i think you need to study more advanced texts. The 3rd edition is vastly superior to the 1st and 2nd edition (the 1st edition contains some real ugly advice)

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okay cool, the reason i specified third edition was because i noticed the earlier editions drew quite a bit of criticism from malmuth in his book reviews and there has been debate regarding the softness of games going down in the last year or so, which is why i wanted some opinions on the strength of this book and how good the strategy holds up

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this book has a soft spot in my heart because it's the first poker book i read [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Decent begginer book and a good start for anyone.

But a major problem with this (and SSH) is that they are mostly geared towards very loose, 9/10-handed games. Such games don't exist on the internet anymore, alas. This doesnt stop them being great books, but just be aware!

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This is still a valid book for live LLHE play and the tight starting hand requirements are good as well for starter outers.

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is there then perhaps a good book that extends the stuff in Lee Jone's books, especially towards short handed games? Is Ed Miller's "winning big with expert play" a good add on?

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is there then perhaps a good book that extends the stuff in Lee Jone's books, especially towards short handed games? Is Ed Miller's "winning big with expert play" a good add on?

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Millers book is far better, and the way to go after Lee's book, but it doesn't cover short handed play.

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Winning Low limit hold 'em 3rd edition is an excellent book. To correct some of the mistakes from the 1st and 2nd editions Lee Jones did a lot of consulting with Barry Tanenbaum who reviewed and commented on the final manuscript before publication. It really is a very good book and I recommend it without reservation.

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i have been playing low limit ring games following the advice from this book and so far so good!
the starting requirments is essential for solid limit play.

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Is there any reason to purchase the 3rd edition if one already has SSH and Hilger's book?

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There is no reason to do anything.

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nope. IMO after those 2 books you dont need Lee's book.

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The primary reason to read Jones is if you need a gentler introduction than Hilger. If you have already played and don't mind rolling up your sleeves a bit and starting right off with some math, then you don't really need Jones. Start with ITH, and after that read SSH.

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Is there any reason to purchase the 3rd edition if one already has SSH and Hilger's book?

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The primary reason to read Jones is if you need a gentler introduction than Hilger. If you have already played and don't mind rolling up your sleeves a bit and starting right off with some math, then you don't really need Jones. Start with ITH, and after that read SSH.

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Is there any reason to purchase the 3rd edition if one already has SSH and Hilger's book?

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The primary reason to read Jones is if you need a gentler introduction than Hilger. If you have already played and don't mind rolling up your sleeves a bit and starting right off with some math, then you don't really need Jones. Start with ITH, and after that read Stox.

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As a newbie poker player when first starting out totally clueless, (see my VERY LONG intro post which I made to the wrong forum-- in the NVG forum for details on my life story...LOL), I got ahold of just about every poker book that was available at BORDERS BOOKSTORE and which I could find on eBay and/or AMAZON.

The Sklansky and Brunson books which were the ones I really wanted to check out first (because I heard them mentioned on the WPT) were clearly over my head. And I was just playing live low limit games ($3-6) when I first started out.

So I found that many of the boooks I needed to set aside and try to begin picking up things very slowly. Which is where I found Lee's books and I fondly recall them being quite helpful to me.

Matter of fact, now that I am re-entering the poker world again, on a different coast and after two years, I am basically beginning all over again. Only this time I already know that a flush beats a straight. LOL!

It's time for me to revisit some books again and I think I'll check this one out again.

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it was one of the first poker books i read and i learned alot from it. easy to read, well organized, solid stuff. i recommend it to my friends who are diving into poker.

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Lee Jones submitted Winning Low Limit Holdem to Mason for 2+2 consideration, and Mason rejected it. Jones published it anyway. It became popular, but was flawed. Some of the postflop advice was weak-tight. After many years, Jones published a 2nd edition, which was better. The 2nd edition only had limit holdem advice. Not too long after the 2nd edition, Jones came out with the 3rd edition, which contains material on no limit holdem and sit and gos if I recall. I do understand that Tannenbaum assisted with the 3rd edition, and it is universally considered the best edition.

Miller's Getting Started in Holdem is probably the best conceptual book for a pure beginner. Most beginners could probably go straight from GSIH to SSHE, but WLLHE 3rd is a fine beginner text too.

That's why I recommend Ken Warren to all my beginner friends LOL

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I thought this was a great book when I read it as a limit hold'em novice (I learned NL tourney hold-em initially) a few years ago. It quickly turned me into a consistent winner in the $3/$6 and $4/$8 arena. The 3rd edition, which I also recently bought, contains an excellent chapter on single table sit-n-gos which has helped me immensely. This is a must read for players new to limit hold'em.

When ready to advance to higher limits, move on to Sklansky.

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This book can be skipped in favor on many other titles now. If you're going to read it though, the 3rd edition is the only one worth having.