Ephedrine
 

A few people have mentioned to me that they take ephedrine in conjunction with their workout plan. I would like to know what some of the OOT workout gurus have to say about this product.

What are the benefits of it? What are the risks/dangers of taking it? Any other info or experiences would be appreciated as well

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It's a vasodilator, and increases your metabolic rate of calorie burn. Check Wikipedia for ECA stack for more complete information.

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kyleb,

I'm not terribly familiar, but isn't it standard to drop the A now?

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Alright, I read the article on wiki about ECA stacks, but I'm not great with a lot of the really technical references. I would like to burn fat, and preferably not lose a ton of muscle. I am a little overweight right now, but still pretty athletic and reasonably strong.

Are these stacks sold in a package, or do I have to by everything separately and put it all together? What would be the best method of getting the caffeine? How much caffeine is in a cup of coffee?

Anyone know what the legal situation is in Canada at present?

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I'm not terribly familiar, but isn't it standard to drop the A now?

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Not too sure on that - I stick to what's worked in the past, and I'm still taking 20mg Vasopro + 200mg Excedrin. Works well enough imo.

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Scotty,

Buy Vasopro (Ephedrine) or Ma Huang (Ephedra) online, get it shipped to you, take it with Excedrin headache medicine. Booya.

As for legality, it's probably not.

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Scotty,

Canada is in the stone age about supplements. You can get protein powders taken up at customs frequently.

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It's a vasoconstrictor

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fyp

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Cause I'm Speeeeed, Speeeedballlling.

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excedrin? bleh, just drop half a nodoz. the A really is supplementary these days

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I still have like 750 real epehdrine from when they were legal. I work out about twice a week just to keep from getting too mushy. Should I take an ephedrine before?

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Cause I'm Speeeeed, Speeeedballlling.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_%28drug%29

Oops.

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I think ephedrine is used in the synthesis of methamphetamine. So I imagine it has many of the same risks associted with it.

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I think ephedrine is used in the synthesis of methamphetamine. So I imagine it has many of the same risks associted with it.

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No thats sudafed. And Of course it has the same worries as meth.

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I think ephedrine is used in the synthesis of methamphetamine. So I imagine it has many of the same risks associted with it.

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No thats sudafed. And Of course it has the same worries as meth.

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Don't be sarcastic, some football player spontaneously combusted from this stuff. I'm infuriated that the people behind this menace aren't behind bars.

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I think ephedrine is used in the synthesis of methamphetamine. So I imagine it has many of the same risks associted with it.

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No thats sudafed. And Of course it has the same worries as meth.

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Ephedrine is the active ingredient in sudafed and some other flu/cold medicines.

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mooney,

No, get a label and look at it. Ephedrine has been banned before in the US. Sudafed didn't redo all its medicines.

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i took tons of ephedrine when it was legal. lost over 100 lbs.

got off it and suffered from withdrawal and put back on the 100lbs i lost. i am now in the process of hopefully taking it back off.

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No, get a label and look at it. Ephedrine has been banned before in the US. Sudafed didn't redo all its medicines.

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Hmmm so its pseudoephedrine thats in sudafed. Both ephedrine or pseudoepedrine can be used in the synthesis of methamphetamine though right?

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Mooney,

I'm not a chemist, though I attempted to be at one point. I doubt ephedrine is used at all to make meth. As its more expensive, and was illegal for a time and availability concerns.

I'm sure you could make it work though if you modified the process a little.

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I have used it a lot off and on for the past 10 years or so. I have had great success losing weight with the ECA stack, a lower-carb diet and a good balanced weight lifting/running routine.

The ECA does 2 things very well: it blunts appetite and it increases energy... so it's easier to get through the workouts AND easier not to pig out afterwards.

In fact, I have a lot of trouble losing weight without the ECA stack... the appetite restriction alone makes it worth it, IMO. The energy and "wow!" feelings are just a bonus.

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It's not something you take to get energy for a workout, it is something that you take to lose weight. It increases your metabolism and decreases your appetite. You will be guaranteed to lose weight if you take it.

The side effects are that you will piss constantly, you will sweat profusely, you will feel dizzy/lightheaded sometimes, and sometimes it just makes you feel beat. The more you take the worse the effects are and over time they will lessen. I took the ECA stack about 5 years ago and I got more ripped than I had been since I was a wrestler, but I tried taking it again last year and the side effects were too much for me so I stopped after about a week.

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I have used it a lot off and on for the past 10 years or so. I have had great success losing weight with the ECA stack, a lower-carb diet and a good balanced weight lifting/running routine.

The ECA does 2 things very well: it blunts appetite and it increases energy... so it's easier to get through the workouts AND easier not to pig out afterwards.

In fact, I have a lot of trouble losing weight without the ECA stack... the appetite restriction alone makes it worth it, IMO. The energy and "wow!" feelings are just a bonus.

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this is pretty much how i feel about it also. i love the stuff. is it still available in the usa? anyone pm me a link or something please.

also, without getting to much into the dangers and risks associated with ephedrine. i think it is perfectly safe taken in moderation in healthy individuals. the chinese and indians have taken ephedra/ephedrine for 100's of years. also, aspirin is pretty much useless as part of a fat burning combo.

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do a search for "vasopro ephedrine"

you can still get it but now you have to fax in an ID form with a driver's license, and you're limited to 6 boxes per month, or something (I think each box has 24 tablets).

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It's not something you take to get energy for a workout, it is something that you take to lose weight. It increases your metabolism and decreases your appetite. You will be guaranteed to lose weight if you take it.

The side effects are that you will piss constantly, you will sweat profusely, you will feel dizzy/lightheaded sometimes, and sometimes it just makes you feel beat. The more you take the worse the effects are and over time they will lessen. I took the ECA stack about 5 years ago and I got more ripped than I had been since I was a wrestler, but I tried taking it again last year and the side effects were too much for me so I stopped after about a week.

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This pretty much sums it us. It works and it works well, but the side effects make things like a standard desk job annoying. Sweating and going through energy level swings suck when you have to live with them for 8 hours while getting work done. The first week or two really suck.

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It's not something you take to get energy for a workout, it is something that you take to lose weight. It increases your metabolism and decreases your appetite. You will be guaranteed to lose weight if you take it.

The side effects are that you will piss constantly, you will sweat profusely, you will feel dizzy/lightheaded sometimes, and sometimes it just makes you feel beat. The more you take the worse the effects are and over time they will lessen. I took the ECA stack about 5 years ago and I got more ripped than I had been since I was a wrestler, but I tried taking it again last year and the side effects were too much for me so I stopped after about a week.

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This pretty much sums it us. It works and it works well, but the side effects make things like a standard desk job annoying. Sweating and going through energy level swings suck when you have to live with them for 8 hours while getting work done. The first week or two really suck.

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it's def. not for everyone. they have a warning on the lable that if you suffer from htn,cardiac issues, anxiety, stress, psy. disorders to not take it. also, timing is important. i use to take it right after work before hitting the gym, so about 6pm. i had no probs falling asleep. everyone is different tho. i missed the old ripped fuel extreme.

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It's not something you take to get energy for a workout, it is something that you take to lose weight. It increases your metabolism and decreases your appetite. You will be guaranteed to lose weight if you take it.

The side effects are that you will piss constantly, you will sweat profusely, you will feel dizzy/lightheaded sometimes, and sometimes it just makes you feel beat. The more you take the worse the effects are and over time they will lessen. I took the ECA stack about 5 years ago and I got more ripped than I had been since I was a wrestler, but I tried taking it again last year and the side effects were too much for me so I stopped after about a week.

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This pretty much sums it us. It works and it works well, but the side effects make things like a standard desk job annoying. Sweating and going through energy level swings suck when you have to live with them for 8 hours while getting work done. The first week or two really suck.

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it's def. not for everyone. they have a warning on the lable that if you suffer from htn,cardiac issues, anxiety, stress, psy. disorders to not take it. also, timing is important. i use to take it right after work before hitting the gym, so about 6pm. i had no probs falling asleep. everyone is different tho. i missed the old ripped fuel extreme.

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Oh yeah, getting too sleep is a bitch if you don't time it right. I used Xenedrine and Hydroxycut. Both worked great. The non-ephedra versions suck balls compared to the originals.

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I took this for a couple months in college back when it was legal. I did it for weight-loss purposes only.

It really did work in reducing my appetite. I also made me feel jumpy, made it difficult to sleep, but sometimes made me feel more focused.

But I realized that I really like eating and hated not wanting food. I wasn't overweight enough for it to be worth the trade off (I was...and still am...about 15-20 pounds overweight). So I stopped after finishing the first bottle.

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Since it's legal, someone should link to what they buy and use.

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I remember a few years back a story about NHL players taking this or something similar to it before games.

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Since it's legal, someone should link to what they buy and use.

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I just got vasopro from VitaDigest.com, 3 boxes ~$45 with shipping, no ID required.

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Since it's legal, someone should link to what they buy and use.

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I just got vasopro from VitaDigest.com, 3 boxes ~$45 with shipping, no ID required.

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it says you must fax id and form to them, its govt regualtion.

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I still have some ephedrine and caffeine laying around from my last weight loss attempt. What would be more effective/safe, that or Hot Roxx Extreme?

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I still have some ephedrine and caffeine laying around from my last weight loss attempt. What would be more effective/safe, that or Hot Roxx Extreme?

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I tried HRX and it made me feel funny but did NOT decrease my appetite at all... I think ECA is better.

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I still have some ephedrine and caffeine laying around from my last weight loss attempt. What would be more effective/safe, that or Hot Roxx Extreme?

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I tried HRX and it made me feel funny but did NOT decrease my appetite at all... I think ECA is better.

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Aspirin messes with my (empty) stomach. How effective would just the ephedrine and caffeine be?

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SS,

I've used it a little and it seemed to decrease hunger. Guids uses it almost exclusively for appetite control IIRC.

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SS,

I've used it a little and it seemed to decrease hunger. Guids uses it almost exclusively for appetite control IIRC.

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I responded very well to Xendarine back when it had ephedra in it. I even kinda liked the elevated heart rate and light sweating.

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I still have some ephedrine and caffeine laying around from my last weight loss attempt. What would be more effective/safe, that or Hot Roxx Extreme?

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I tried HRX and it made me feel funny but did NOT decrease my appetite at all... I think ECA is better.

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Aspirin messes with my (empty) stomach. How effective would just the ephedrine and caffeine be?

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E+C is actually better, just ditch the aspirin. i read a while back that research indicates that aspirin is useless in the thermogenic effect of E and C.

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I haven't used aspirin with it in forever. No real effect good or bad from the A, IMO.