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Shabamabam 03-05-2007 06:01 PM

March Low Content Thread.
 
I've been on super mega life and poker tilt as of lately.

Last couple of days were a kick in the teeth. I've been playing horrendously and I know it.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2j4x1xk.jpg

franknagaijr 03-06-2007 09:38 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Pursuant to the conversation of O8 MTTs being hard to crack despite being chock full of dead money.

Can anybody rationally explain this player's choices?

PokerStars Game #8774265620: Tournament #44300649, $8.00+$0.80 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/03/06 - 20:19:56 (ET)
Table '44300649 15' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: FrankNagaiJr (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: makeyasweat (1490 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: relyk (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: REDFIR (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: youngfellaa (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: cashryders22 (1596 in chips)
Seat 7: HeyItsMau (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: timberline68 (1524 in chips)
Seat 9: whosierdaddy (1510 in chips)
HeyItsMau: posts small blind 10
timberline68: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FrankNagaiJr [Kd Qd Kc 8h]
whosierdaddy: folds
FrankNagaiJr: calls 20
makeyasweat: folds
relyk: folds
REDFIR: calls 20
youngfellaa: folds
cashryders22: folds
HeyItsMau: calls 10
timberline68: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c Kh]
HeyItsMau: checks
timberline68: checks
FrankNagaiJr: bets 80
REDFIR: folds
HeyItsMau: calls 80
timberline68: calls 80
*** TURN *** [4c 2c Kh] [Js]
HeyItsMau: checks
timberline68: checks
FrankNagaiJr: bets 320
HeyItsMau: calls 320
timberline68: calls 320
*** RIVER *** [4c 2c Kh Js] [Qc]
HeyItsMau: folds
timberline68: bets 420
FrankNagaiJr: calls 420
*** SHOW DOWN ***
timberline68: shows [4d As 7d Tc] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
FrankNagaiJr: mucks hand
timberline68 collected 2120 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2120 | Rake 0
Board [4c 2c Kh Js Qc]
Seat 1: FrankNagaiJr mucked [Kd Qd Kc 8h]
Seat 2: makeyasweat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: relyk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: REDFIR folded on the Flop
Seat 5: youngfellaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cashryders22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HeyItsMau (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: timberline68 (big blind) showed [4d As 7d Tc] and won (2120) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: whosierdaddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I dunno 03-07-2007 12:28 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
He was obviously planning on bluffing you on the river.

EffenDolts 03-07-2007 12:18 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Shabam, I feel your pain.

I have never run that bad in poker, but I have had three losing streaks in video poker that were a lot bigger than that, i.e., more than $50K. It really sucks losing amounts of money that many people would consider a good year's income. I get really jealous of my friends who are on winning streaks while I am pissing away benjamins by the handful. However, I usually don't have to blame myself. It's just bad luck when you lose in VP while if you only play games where you have the best of it.

In real poker, it is easy to convince yourself that you are at least EV-neutral when you are really a big money dog. I had my worst poker session last weekend. It started out with some bad beats, but ended up with some tilty play and more river suckouts and losses on what were clearly marginal calls or bets. I was really suprised how bad I played toward the end of the session. I hope I can get back to my A game the next time out, and I can see that you recognize that you need to get yourself off tilt, too.

The first step is admitting the problem.

Cheers,

Effen

niss 03-07-2007 12:27 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Serious question ... how do you ever have the "best of it" in video poker? I know there is some material out saying that you can win playing VP, but I don't understand how it's any different than a slot machine. Thanks in advance for responding.

davebreal 03-07-2007 12:55 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Serious question ... how do you ever have the "best of it" in video poker? I know there is some material out saying that you can win playing VP, but I don't understand how it's any different than a slot machine. Thanks in advance for responding.

[/ QUOTE ]

only certain machines are +EV, depends on branding. game's main profit lies in royal flush cumulative jackpots.

EffenDolts 03-07-2007 01:23 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Serious question ... how do you ever have the "best of it" in video poker? I know there is some material out saying that you can win playing VP, but I don't understand how it's any different than a slot machine.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are some video poker machines that are programmed like slot machines (predetermined outcomes), but these types of machines are not legal in NV and NJ. Therefore, every paytable has an associated optimal strategy and optimal EV for each hand. You can even create strategies for new games automatically:
http://www.zamzone.com/TomSki/VPSM.asp
As the paytable improves, the EV has to improve. If the paytable is good enough, the house edge eventually goes negative.

Video poker games in AC and NV typically have optimal returns of 92% to (rarely) 101% for fixed paytables. The first thing to look for is games with good paytables and cashback. Cashback can range from near zero to 4% in extreme cases.

Second, some games have multiple modes with different returns which are on average favorable to the house. These games can be wonged (played only when in favorable modes, only). My favorite wonging game is in a +2.5% mode 6% of the time.

Finally, the returns on progressives can be arbitrarily high. A 4000-coin Royal flush is worth 2% expected return on a jacks or better game. If the progressive payout is 12000 coins, this adds about 4% to the return. My wife and I once played a progressive which had a return of 107% when we started and rose to 113% by the time she hit the progressive. At the end, we we had an edge of $1300 per hour. The frequency of such progressive opportunities is exponentially relate to the meter advance rate. The casino has since cut the meter rate on that progressive. We used to have an opportunity to play that progressive about once a weeek with a positive EV. We have not had an opportunity to play it in the 14 months since the meter rate was cut.

VP opportunities are drying up fast in AC. I used to play in 10 different AC casinos on a regular basis. Now, only 3 casinos have good VP plays. There are still plenty of breakeven plays (with cashback) that you might consider. If you add comps to a breakeven game, you can actually come out ahead. I.e., you can still find 9/6 Jacks or better (99.54% return) with 0.4% cashback and maybe 0.5% comp rate in AC.

Effen

davebreal 03-07-2007 02:04 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
davebreal: $401.20
UTG+1: $192
MP1: $446.20
MP2: $542
CO: $1486.15
Button: $178.40
SB: $474.70
BB: $483

Pre-flop: (8 players) davebreal is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal raises to $12</font>, 3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal bets $20</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($70, 2 players)
davebreal checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">davebreal raises to $175</font>, CO calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($420, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal is all-in $194.2</font>, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $808.4
<font color="#ffffff">davebreal showed 3s Ah Ad Js</font>
<font color="#ffffff">CO mucks 4s 9s 3d 2d</font>

Gone Forever 03-07-2007 04:40 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Pursuant to the conversation of O8 MTTs being hard to crack despite being chock full of dead money.

Can anybody rationally explain this player's choices?

Seat 8: timberline68 (big blind) showed [4d As 7d Tc] and won (2120) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: whosierdaddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[/ QUOTE ]

Who cares what he was thinking?? There wasn't a hand he could have beat until the river. That's that delicious dead money you were talkin about. Mmmmmmmmm. Dead moneeeey.

That's why this game is the future. People just don't get it.

G O N E F O R E V E R

Gone Forever 03-07-2007 04:48 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
davebreal: $401.20
UTG+1: $192
MP1: $446.20
MP2: $542
CO: $1486.15
Button: $178.40
SB: $474.70
BB: $483

Pre-flop: (8 players) davebreal is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal raises to $12</font>, 3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal bets $20</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($70, 2 players)
davebreal checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">davebreal raises to $175</font>, CO calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($420, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">davebreal is all-in $194.2</font>, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $808.4
<font color="#ffffff">davebreal showed 3s Ah Ad Js</font>
<font color="#ffffff">CO mucks 4s 9s 3d 2d</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

HIIIIGH FIIIVE!

Let me guess, this guy had 4332 or maybe K932? Please tell me he didn't just have a flush. Either way, I think I need to accelerate my jump in limits. Lol.

G O N E F O R E V E R

davebreal 03-07-2007 11:04 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
anyone see the irony in this one?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
davebreal: $841.35
UTG+1: $417.05
MP1: $390
MP2: $474.15
MP3: $37.75
CO: $102.10
Button: $388.35
SB: $526.75
BB: $782.25

Pre-flop: (9 players) davebreal is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
davebreal calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $22</font>, 3 folds, davebreal calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($72, 3 players)
davebreal checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $72</font>, <font color="#cc0000">davebreal raises to $288</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $8.1</font>.
Uncalled bets: $207.9 returned to davebreal.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($232.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $232.2)


River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($232.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $232.2)


Results:
Final pot: $232.2
<font color="#ffffff">CO showed Ah Qc Ad 8h</font>
<font color="#ffffff">davebreal showed Kc Ks 3c 4d</font>

Phil153 03-07-2007 11:33 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
You called a pot raise out of position with KK34 against a very short stack? Looks like sweet justice to me. Still looking for the irony.

Shabamabam 03-08-2007 01:36 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
I am quitting PL forever. I really suck at the game because I tilt like 3 minutes in.

Some hands:

LOL. That can't be case ase.

I got pwned here. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Set and OESD! ARR IN!

I don't like you Hakallah... so I'm gonna give my money to you!

Silly Dave! I have the nuts + strong redraws.

What a pretty board!

Yay! Nuts with strong low draw. What can go wrong?


At least I finally got out of it. 6-tabling tilt hurts. At least I looked pretty with decent stacks.

Picture of tables (warning... 2600 * 1600)

http://www.brealz.com/effpl.jpg

davebreal 03-08-2007 11:58 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Yesterday

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h2...al/March07.jpg

davebreal 03-08-2007 12:00 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Lacey Duvalle shows a straight Nine high for high
Lacey Duvalle shows 7 6 5 2 A for low
davebreal shows a full house Aces full of Sixes for high
davebreal shows 6 5 4 2 A for low
davebreal wins the high pot ($536 .50) with a full house Aces full of Sixes
davebreal wins the low pot ($536 .50) with 6 5 4 2 A
Lacey Duvalle : %@## THAT


[/ QUOTE ]

lol, that was pretty sick.

cero_z 03-08-2007 03:34 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Serious question ... how do you ever have the "best of it" in video poker? I know there is some material out saying that you can win playing VP, but I don't understand how it's any different than a slot machine. Thanks in advance for responding.

[/ QUOTE ]

Video Poker machines that are true video poker use a random number generator to determine the order of the deck. Thus, you know the odds of hitting each hand, since they correspond to the real-life odds. When the total payouts exceed the odds against making a paying hand (and this is usually a function of the progressive jackpot growing very large), the machine is profitable if you play perfect strategy. So, in practice, you're playing to hit the progressive, and all of the play in between is waiting to hit a royal.

Also, some "video poker" machines are disguised slot machines, with payouts governed in the same way as slots. These are obviously unbeatable through legal means.

Gone Forever 03-08-2007 04:11 PM

07 Tourney Cashes and other brags
 
I was just going over my stats at OfficialPokerRankings.com and thought I'd post some of my more noteable cashes of 2007. I play small stakes so don't too excited.

They'll be listed in the following format:

DATE - GAME - BUY IN - ENTRANTS - PLACE - PRIZE

1/14 - LO8 - $5+$.50 - 183 - 1ST - $247
1/23 - LO8 - $5+$.50 - 72 - 1ST - $121
2/10 - PLO8 - $10+$1 - 82 - 4TH - $90

1/19 - HORSE - $50+$5 - 11 - 1ST - $275
3/8 - HORSE - $5+$.50 - 87 - 2ND - $87
1/12 - HORSE - $5+$.50 - 125 - 3RD - $81
2/18 - HORSE - $8+$.80 - 65 - 5TH - $18

2/12 - RAZZ - $24+$2 - 97 - 4TH - $198
1/27 - RAZZ - $20+$2 - 18 - 3RD - $72
1/26 - RAZZ - $5+$.50 - 343 - 17TH - $15

I have a 360% Return on Investment for Omaha Hi/Lo.

I'm in the money 25% of the time.

Of the times I'm ITM I make the final table 52% of the time.

Of the times I FT I finish 1st-3rd 57% of the time.

Who wants to touch me? LOL. I SAID WHO WANTS TO @#$KING TOUCH ME?!?!

G O N E F O R E V E R

bbartlog 03-08-2007 04:36 PM

Re: 07 Tourney Cashes and other brags
 
Nice results! I have a 123% overall ROI in the dozen tournaments I've played, but it looks like you must have played at least 40.

Gone Forever 03-08-2007 05:59 PM

Re: 07 Tourney Cashes and other brags
 
Thanks, bbart.

There's easily over 150 tourneys I've played since winter in all different types of games.

For a while there I was making at least 3 final tables a week. Playing 1 to two tourneys a night 3-4 days a week.

I didn't list any of my cashes for Holdem, 7stud, or Omaha Hi. I don't know, I guess I just figured the people of this forum would be more interested in the games with a low side.

Strangely enough I don't think I've played one Stud8 tourney.... Weird. I'll have to get on that.

Shabamabam 03-08-2007 09:41 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
LOL tilt and variance.

If you were fortunate to be at one of my 4 tables that I was HU at raising any hand even 2222... you're welcome for the money.

If you were unfortunate enough to be at my one table where I concentrated... Thanks for the money back.

http://i19.tinypic.com/2cnfckk.jpg

Mercyful 03-08-2007 11:36 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
My stats for March, so far so good...

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1...rmarch8oj8.jpg

franknagaijr 03-09-2007 01:51 PM

Re: 07 Tourney Cashes and other brags
 
Too jealous to respond. I have a decent win rate at PLO8 STTs, but can't make any magic happen in the PLO8 MTTs.

Any general advice on late-stage adjustments? I know you've discussed final 3, but I'm also interested in hearing from you about final 20 out of 200 situations, where most people are competent, some are super-tight, and others are going postal. If so, please open a thread on it.

bbartlog 03-10-2007 06:12 PM

Omaha: a game of the nuts?
 
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (5 handed)
UTG ($46.70)
MP ($12.75)
Hero ($25.90)
SB ($31.40)
BB ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.1</font>, Hero calls $1.10, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $4.9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $3.80, Hero calls $3.80.

Flop: ($15.20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $7.85 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $7.85, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $15.7</font>, Hero calls $7.85.

Turn: ($54.45) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10.8 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $5.30 (All-In).

River: ($70.55) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $70.55

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has Ac Qc Qs Js (High: one pair, queens).
Hero has 4h 4c Ad Kd (High: one pair, kings).
SB has Ah 2h 8s 5h (High: one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $65.05. SB wins $5.50. </font>

Mercyful 03-10-2007 08:41 PM

Re: Omaha: a game of the nuts?
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO WAY YOU WON THAT WITH JUST A PAIR OF KINGS!

Murakawa 03-11-2007 04:25 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
did he misread his hand a straight flush?... I've done that...

bbartlog 03-11-2007 05:18 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
I don't think so. SB in this hand has been playing a pretty aberrant preflop game (potting preflop with 5d 3h Ts 7c for example), and very aggro postflop though willing to fold when played back at. MP has been playing a fairly straightforward game as far as I can tell, raising preflop with strong low hands and AAxx. My reasoning as Hero in this hand was that MP did not have AAxx (else he would have 3-bet preflop) and that he must have a low-type hand, so his flop bet was much more likely to be a club flush draw than something like two pair. I was half-right; he was betting the flush draw but he had actually raised preflop with a non-AA high hand (first time I'd seen him do that).
As for SB, against most players I'd worry about some AAxx hand (who reraises from the SB with anything else?), but this guy was pretty weird preflop so I gave him credit for four cards (esp. since I figured two aces to be accounted for). I had expected him to fold to MP's flop bet and wasn't feeling good when he reraised, but given his previous aggression and weird play I just couldn't figure that I didn't have odds to call, since he was IMO about equally likely to have nothing, a draw, or a hand that was actually ahead of mine. As it turned out he had essentially nothing, which makes his play even weirder inasfar as bluffing me out of the hand would normally have gotten him HU against a hand that beat him. After the fact, I have to consider the possibility that he was a wizard of hand reading and had concluded that MP had nothing but a flush draw *and* that I had a pair of kings, so that I might give him credit for AA and fold, which would clean up his high outs against MP. Unfortunately for him, people adjust when you're a maniac, and I didn't get out of his way.

I dunno 03-12-2007 11:32 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
What's everyone's longest breakeven stretch in PL? Cuz I'm aobut sick of being 3-bet by middle set 3 stacks deep when Im holding the nut flush, nut straight, top set and getting out drawn (yes I have had people hit quads on me 3 times in the last 4500 hands).

I hate poker.

Mine is currently 23,000.

bbartlog 03-12-2007 12:14 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Well, I'm still down lifetime playing poker (lost $1200 when I first started, been winning for the past year at microlimits but still haven't made it all back). So my whole poker history (more than 100K? hands) is (less than) a breakeven stretch.

franknagaijr 03-12-2007 03:20 PM

Moran\'s Anonymous
 
Hi. My name is Frank and I'm a moran.

* I love to underbet in order to give other morans the chance to catch up.
*I like to do that on multiple streets if possible.
* I especially like to pay off on the turn when I'm clearly beat, but have a handful of outs for half the pot.

PokerStars Game #8867809300: Tournament #45103158 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) -
Table '45103158 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: thehammmer (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: DJAPPA (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: micniel (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: The-Big-Man9 (1770 in chips)
Seat 5: Maxvel (1320 in chips)
Seat 6: juanola (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: sidro0 (1380 in chips)
Seat 8: JustABozo (1570 in chips)
Seat 9: FrankNagaiJr (1420 in chips)
Seat 10: kerplunk1 (1500 in chips)
Maxvel: posts small blind 10
juanola: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FrankNagaiJr [2c 8d Ad As]
sidro0: calls 20
JustABozo: calls 20
FrankNagaiJr: raises 40 to 60
kerplunk1: folds
thehammmer: folds
DJAPPA: calls 60
micniel: folds
The-Big-Man9: folds
Maxvel: calls 50
juanola: folds
sidro0: calls 40
JustABozo: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Ac 4h 6c]
Maxvel: checks
sidro0: checks
JustABozo: checks
FrankNagaiJr: bets 260
DJAPPA: calls 260
Maxvel: folds
sidro0: folds
JustABozo: calls 260
*** TURN *** [Ac 4h 6c] [9c]
JustABozo: checks
FrankNagaiJr: checks
DJAPPA: bets 1100
JustABozo: calls 1100
FrankNagaiJr: calls 1100 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ac 4h 6c 9c] [Tc]
JustABozo: checks
DJAPPA: bets 70 and is all-in
JustABozo: calls 70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DJAPPA: shows [3h 7c 5c 6s] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
JustABozo: shows [3d 2h Kc 6h] (HI: a pair of Sixes; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
DJAPPA collected 70 from side pot
JustABozo collected 70 from side pot
FrankNagaiJr: shows [2c 8d Ad As] (HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 8,6,4,2,A)
DJAPPA collected 2200 from main pot
JustABozo collected 2200 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4540 Main pot 4400. Side pot 140. | Rake 0
Board [Ac 4h 6c 9c Tc]
Seat 1: thehammmer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DJAPPA showed [3h 7c 5c 6s] and won (2270) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,5,4,3,A
Seat 3: micniel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: The-Big-Man9 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Maxvel (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: juanola (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: sidro0 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: JustABozo showed [3d 2h Kc 6h] and won (2270) with HI: a pair of Sixes; LO: 6,4,3,2,A
Seat 9: FrankNagaiJr showed [2c 8d Ad As] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 8,6,4,2,A
Seat 10: kerplunk1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

bbartlog 03-12-2007 03:34 PM

Re: Moran\'s Anonymous
 
Well, the less-than-pot bet preflop and the turn call are bad. I actually don't hate the smallish flop bet - it's sized so that you can jam on the turn if a brick falls (to force out remaining high draws), while still leaving you alive to fold if a 2, 5, or club comes on the turn. Of course this is assuming you can find the fold button on the turn; if you can't then jamming the flop makes a lot more sense. But you already knew that :-)

niss 03-13-2007 07:54 PM

Re: Moran\'s Anonymous
 
This is how I roll.

Bodog PLO8 ($2/$4) (9 handed)

Villain has $150, I have him covered (as well as the third player, who folds the flop).

Dealt to tragic hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG folds. UTG+1 calls. 2 folds to me. I raise the pot. Folds to CO, who calls, folds to UTG+1 who calls. Pot is somewhere around $48.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] j[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG+1 checks. I check anticipating a bet from villain. Villain bets $25. UTG+1 calls. I c/r to put villain (and UTG+1) all in. He calls, UTG+1 folds.

Villain shows 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I am 80-20 and start dialing travel agency, to book a two week trip to Italy for my wife. WITHOUT ME.

Turn K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
River Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I say nighty night and resign myself to two additional weeks of tuna casserole.

franknagaijr 03-13-2007 10:25 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Group hug?

Drizztdj 03-14-2007 08:07 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
I looked up my tourney stats on that site and cried.

steamboatin 03-14-2007 11:08 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
Here is the status of my quest to turn $.78 in to a small O/8 bankroll on Stars. I think I am running really good.

http://www.bitemebbq.com/poker/78centquest1.jpg

Murakawa 03-14-2007 09:22 PM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
My AA23s got cracked TWICE today when I flopped A set of aces and the nut low Twice! No quartering, just flat out someone called with 45jTo before the flop and on the flop against a pot sized raise both times and hit his OUT card when I didn't hit any more of mine. I'm not having a good march

franknagaijr 03-15-2007 12:14 AM

Re: Moran\'s Anonymous
 
Hi, My name is Frank, and I'm still a Moran.

I knew the player in question was limping some atrocious hands, but I misjudged the level of atrocity. The 2nd nut low draw kept me around, but I put Villain on A25 and felt I had the better boat. D'oh.

I checked the leader board for the 9:30 tourney an hour later, and curiously enough, Villain didn't work any magic with my chips, but instead got knocked out. Go figure.

PokerStars Game #8905547048: Tournament #44846424, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/03/14 - 21:48:17 (ET)
Table '44846424 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Numen (1715 in chips)
Seat 2: shane5825 (1595 in chips)
Seat 4: joe89 (1405 in chips)
Seat 5: spankyy (1995 in chips)
Seat 6: Duchow (1635 in chips)
Seat 7: FrankNagaiJr (1515 in chips)
Seat 8: loulou2 (390 in chips)
Seat 9: 8 o/b (1380 in chips)
loulou2: posts small blind 15
8 o/b: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FrankNagaiJr [2d Ad 4s 9s]
Numen: folds
shane5825: calls 30
joe89: calls 30
spankyy: calls 30
Duchow: folds
FrankNagaiJr: raises 60 to 90
loulou2: folds
8 o/b: calls 60
shane5825: calls 60
Coaruma is connected
joe89: calls 60
spankyy: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2h 2c 5d]
8 o/b: checks
shane5825: checks
joe89: checks
spankyy: bets 330
FrankNagaiJr: calls 330
8 o/b: folds
shane5825: calls 330
joe89: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 2c 5d] [Qs]
shane5825: checks
spankyy: bets 780
FrankNagaiJr: calls 780
shane5825: folds
*** RIVER *** [2h 2c 5d Qs] [9h]
spankyy: bets 330
FrankNagaiJr: calls 315 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spankyy: shows [5s 8d Ks 5c] (HI: a full house, Fives full of Deuces)
FrankNagaiJr: shows [2d Ad 4s 9s] (HI: a full house, Deuces full of Nines)
spankyy collected 3645 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3645 | Rake 0
Board [2h 2c 5d Qs 9h]
Seat 1: Numen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: shane5825 folded on the Turn
Seat 4: joe89 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: spankyy showed [5s 8d Ks 5c] and won (3645) with HI: a full house, Fives full of Deuces
Seat 6: Duchow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FrankNagaiJr (button) showed [2d Ad 4s 9s] and lost with HI: a full house, Deuces full of Nines
Seat 8: loulou2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: 8 o/b (big blind) folded on the Flop

I dunno 03-15-2007 02:30 AM

Re: March Low Content Thread.
 
[ QUOTE ]
My AA23s got cracked TWICE today when I flopped A set of aces and the nut low Twice! No quartering, just flat out someone called with 45jTo before the flop and on the flop against a pot sized raise both times and hit his OUT card when I didn't hit any more of mine. I'm not having a good march

[/ QUOTE ]

Welcome to the world of "low variance" O8. BTW I think the only people having a good march are the fish, which is +EV longterm.

My grammar sucks after a 12 of Sam Adams and the remainder of my tequila, however you spell it. That sounds gross even now...

[censored] you exams. It's time to gamble

I dunno 03-15-2007 02:37 AM

Re: Moran\'s Anonymous
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hi, My name is Frank, and I'm still a Moran.

I knew the player in question was limping some atrocious hands, but I misjudged the level of atrocity. The 2nd nut low draw kept me around, but I put Villain on A25 and felt I had the better boat. D'oh.

I checked the leader board for the 9:30 tourney an hour later, and curiously enough, Villain didn't work any magic with my chips, but instead got knocked out. Go figure.

PokerStars Game #8905547048: Tournament #44846424, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/03/14 - 21:48:17 (ET)
Table '44846424 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Numen (1715 in chips)
Seat 2: shane5825 (1595 in chips)
Seat 4: joe89 (1405 in chips)
Seat 5: spankyy (1995 in chips)
Seat 6: Duchow (1635 in chips)
Seat 7: FrankNagaiJr (1515 in chips)
Seat 8: loulou2 (390 in chips)
Seat 9: 8 o/b (1380 in chips)
loulou2: posts small blind 15
8 o/b: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FrankNagaiJr [2d Ad 4s 9s]
Numen: folds
shane5825: calls 30
joe89: calls 30
spankyy: calls 30
Duchow: folds
FrankNagaiJr: raises 60 to 90
loulou2: folds
8 o/b: calls 60
shane5825: calls 60
Coaruma is connected
joe89: calls 60
spankyy: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2h 2c 5d]
8 o/b: checks
shane5825: checks
joe89: checks
spankyy: bets 330
FrankNagaiJr: calls 330
8 o/b: folds
shane5825: calls 330
joe89: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 2c 5d] [Qs]
shane5825: checks
spankyy: bets 780
FrankNagaiJr: calls 780
shane5825: folds
*** RIVER *** [2h 2c 5d Qs] [9h]
spankyy: bets 330
FrankNagaiJr: calls 315 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spankyy: shows [5s 8d Ks 5c] (HI: a full house, Fives full of Deuces)
FrankNagaiJr: shows [2d Ad 4s 9s] (HI: a full house, Deuces full of Nines)
spankyy collected 3645 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3645 | Rake 0
Board [2h 2c 5d Qs 9h]
Seat 1: Numen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: shane5825 folded on the Turn
Seat 4: joe89 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: spankyy showed [5s 8d Ks 5c] and won (3645) with HI: a full house, Fives full of Deuces
Seat 6: Duchow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FrankNagaiJr (button) showed [2d Ad 4s 9s] and lost with HI: a full house, Deuces full of Nines
Seat 8: loulou2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: 8 o/b (big blind) folded on the Flop

[/ QUOTE ]

Variance. And Standard.

davebreal 03-15-2007 06:39 PM

I hate you all
 
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $6 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($553.60)
MP1 ($900)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($321.95)</font>
MP3 ($745.40)
CO ($659.60)
<font color="#C00000">davebreal ($716)</font>
SB ($531.80)
BB ($256.75)
UTG ($600)

Preflop: davebreal is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $6, MP3 calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">davebreal raises to $18</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $12, UTG+1 calls $12, MP2 calls $12, MP3 calls $12.

Flop: ($99) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">davebreal bets $96</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $96, MP3 calls $96.

Turn: ($387) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $207.95 (All-In)</font>, MP3 folds, davebreal calls $207.95.

River: ($802.90) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $802.90

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP2 has 5h 5s As 8c (High: four of a kind, fives).
davebreal has Tc Ad Td 4d (High: full house, tens full of fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins $802.90. </font>

Mercyful 03-16-2007 10:59 AM

Re: I hate you all
 
OUCH.


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