Level of competition at the WSOP???
 

If this isn't the right place to ask this then please move this to the correct place...


My friend and I were discussing the WSOP and he says that the competition must be "crazy hard" in general for NLHE. We were not talking about any buy in in particular but I felt that he is over estimating the competition.

Neither of us have played at an event at the WSOP and we don't feel we are good enough anyways but I was just wondering if somebody could relate the competition level to say an online game.

For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.

Something like this in reference to WSOP events would be great. Does the ME have harder competition then say a 1.5K or 2K event in NLHE?


Thanks for any responses.

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the conventional wisdom in these forums is that the WSOP, the ME in particular, is the fishiest tournament you'll ever find. Plenty of people that satelited in from an Internet site, or rich guys that just pony up the 10gs and have no fornicating idea what the fornicate they're doing, or some idea about what they're doing, but they THINK they know more than what they actually do know.

I'm just repeating what I've read here. I've never been there.

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I'm not that good, but I was the best player at my table until JC Tran showed up.

If you can beat $20+ SNG's you're probably +EV in the Main Event.

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

The 2500, rebuy and 5K events are much more difficult. Probably similar to a 109 online MTT.

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

The 2500, rebuy and 5K events are much more difficult. Probably similar to a 109 online MTT.

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wow $10 MTT online soft on avaerage for the ME and 1500? I figured they were soft but not that soft. Almost makes me want take a stab at a $1500 event now, lol

I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

The 1500 event is the cheapest event so everybody that wants to play the WSOP has to play that if they don't satellite into the ME or want to pony up for a higher buyin. Those middle of the road buy-ins of 2K, 3K or 5K cost more and the random person wouldn't pay that when they can just play a 1500 so the competition is tougher.

Thanks for the replies all...

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I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

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It is close to $200 MTT, but only one specific kind - sunday millions on stars. I'd say that tournament gives you a very good idea what to expect at WSOPME, opponents-wise.

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For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.


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Do you mean 0.25/0.50 NL?

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For instance people say the 1/2 live cash games are very soft and if you can beat 25NL/50NL online then you can beat 1/2 live.


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Do you mean 0.25/0.50 NL?

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The / was ment as an or, but I can see how that is confusing. I meant I've read people saying if you can beat 25NL (0.10/0.25) or 50NL (0.25/0.50) online cash games then you can beat 1/2 live as it's the same players since 1/2 live is the lowest that a casino is going to spread.

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yea real fishy, ur friend is an idiot

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I was thinking the average competition level would be of 200 MTT or something along those lines, but i can see the how the division of buy-in vs skill level makes sense.

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It is close to $200 MTT, but only one specific kind - sunday millions on stars. I'd say that tournament gives you a very good idea what to expect at WSOPME, opponents-wise.

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Ahh thanks. So one could use the Sunday million as a way to test one abiliities. If you can't cash there or if one gets run over in play you're probably not going to do well in the ME.


Would you say the lesser buyin events are the same or would you agree with a previous poster who compared the $1500 buyin NLHE event to have an average player skill level to be on par with a $10 online MTT on say Stars.

I mean obviously if you final table a $1500 event you'll probably be up against way above average players but the same can be said in a $10 MTT as the final table would have better then avgerage players as well.

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the MAIN EVENT has got to be one of the thoughest tourneys of poker IMO to get to 1st. or even in the money

its 10k so peopel dont wanna blow theire money. and the peopel that won sattelites had to have some skill. plus we got pros and fish and people in between,


I thin kits tough because of all the peopel of all kinds there..but it shoudl be fun. I dont knwo what you all are talking abou tto say its soft...its not that easy.

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this is some what hard to answer. you could draw a tough table or a soft one. from my own experience, (event 37??)the table i played at for over eight hours played fairly tight and straight up. several laggy players with huge stacks showed up during the course of the day, and their attempts to run over the table left them broke. a "name" player of some stature started at my table, and was the second player knocked out early on. none of us remaining "amatuers" were impressed with his play at all. the cash games i played (2/5 nl) were pretty loose and wild. one session had two players with lots of chips/cash who would take turns putting somebody all-in about every hand. fun to watch while i waited for cards, especially when they played each other. several pots in the 1k to 3k range maybe more.

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I played event 37 as well. Made it to just before the bubble (ran into a straight flush, oh well). My first table played tight and relatively passive; very few large pots. My second table had one pro I knew of (John Phan), who was very quiet while I was there. After 10 levels, I would say 6-7 of the players at my table were solid players, 3-4 were soft. I was pleasantly surprised at how soft the tables were but by the bubble stages, the average skill had gone up considerably. I did not play the ME but believe that the other 1500s played similarly.

Cheers

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yeah, missed the dough by about 85 or 90 spots, was still alot of fun. all of the players i saw that day honestly seemed fairly decent, with only a couple of soft spots.

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

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I don't agree with that at all. I've played in a few $26ish online tournaments and played in a $1500 event at last year's WSOP. There were over 1000 entries in it, and I would say the bottom 200 or 300 were not so good, but after that I thought they were tougher than the online tournaments I've played in (and cashed in).

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ME = Sunday Million
1500 = Old party weekdays
2500/5000 = Stars 300+20/UB 200r

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

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I don't agree with that at all. I've played in a few $26ish online tournaments and played in a $1500 event at last year's WSOP. There were over 1000 entries in it, and I would say the bottom 200 or 300 were not so good, but after that I thought they were tougher than the online tournaments I've played in (and cashed in).

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The $1500 event has a reasonably percentage of professional players. The same cannot be said for a $10 online MTT.

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

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I don't agree with that at all. I've played in a few $26ish online tournaments and played in a $1500 event at last year's WSOP. There were over 1000 entries in it, and I would say the bottom 200 or 300 were not so good, but after that I thought they were tougher than the online tournaments I've played in (and cashed in).

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The $1500 event has a reasonably percentage of professional players. The same cannot be said for a $10 online MTT.

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This is true, but as of last year the fields were so large and so full of morons that it doesn't matter if you get down to the final few tables and everyone's good.

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I would say the ME and 1500$ events are very soft. Probably similar to a 10$ MTT online soft.

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I don't agree with that at all. I've played in a few $26ish online tournaments and played in a $1500 event at last year's WSOP. There were over 1000 entries in it, and I would say the bottom 200 or 300 were not so good, but after that I thought they were tougher than the online tournaments I've played in (and cashed in).

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The $1500 event has a reasonably percentage of professional players. The same cannot be said for a $10 online MTT.

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I don't remember seeing T.J. Cloutier, Clonie Gowen, Jennifer Tilly, Phil Helmuth, Gavin Smith, or Barry Greenstein in any of the sub-$50 online tournaments I played in, but they were all in my $1500 WSOP event.

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the MAIN EVENT has got to be one of the thoughest tourneys of poker IMO to get to 1st. or even in the money

its 10k so peopel dont wanna blow theire money. and the peopel that won sattelites had to have some skill. plus we got pros and fish and people in between,


I thin kits tough because of all the peopel of all kinds there..but it shoudl be fun. I dont knwo what you all are talking abou tto say its soft...its not that easy.

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for an posted that was editted you have a lot of spelling mistakes

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the MAIN EVENT has got to be one of the thoughest tourneys of poker IMO to get to 1st. or even in the money

its 10k so peopel dont wanna blow theire money. and the peopel that won sattelites had to have some skill. plus we got pros and fish and people in between,


I thin kits tough because of all the peopel of all kinds there..but it shoudl be fun. I dont knwo what you all are talking abou tto say its soft...its not that easy.

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Have you played in the main event? Because I have heard firsthand and through others varying quite widely in skill levels that this is the softest live tourney w/ a buy in greater than 1,000... Hmmm... ya I suppose that it's tough to get first... perhaps the ridiculous size of the field might have something to do with this??? what a retarded post

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GL hitting the (big one). 1st

luck becomes a factor in this tourney aswell. I have never played it but you cant just fold yourself outta day 1 and hope to make it in the money w/o some risky moves.
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The size of the field is one reason why I think ( never been there) it is tough.

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Jetto, you're nuts. The ME is super soft. A big field doen't mean it's tough...it's soft. Soft like marshmallows.

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yea but if it is "soft" then why the hell aint pros raking up the $$$ there?

SO this tourney is 80+% luck and 20 % skill?