How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

Please dont view this as whining and I know this is a little on the vague side but how do you guys get through the variance of the game(obviously the bad side) Im multi tabling $25 NL these days and I look at my stats at the end of sessions and Im winning an incredible amount of small pots without the showdown, but it seems like everytime the money gets in there Im taking beat after beat. Do you move down to $10 NL and try to stop the bleeding there or do you ride it out and risk torching your bankroll? Do you guys take extended periods of time off from poker when running bad? Im trying to build a good bank roll and I hate to just stop playing and lose time playing the game. Suggestions?

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

It sounds like you are playing at Full Tilt.

One thing is when you sit down at a table always ask yourself if your money is going to come from winning small pots or big pots and adjust your game accordingly.

Also, if you find yourself losing the big pots ask yourself if it was because of bad luck (suckout) or because you overvalues something like TPTK at a tight table.

That's a little vague but that's about all I can say not knowing more specifics.

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It sounds like you are playing at Full Tilt.

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lol


But seriously.

Play with a very large bankroll and the beats won't matter to you as much. Losing 10 buyins on a 20 buyin bankroll is devistating (sp?) both to your bankroll and to your psyche. Losing 10 buyins of a 50 buyin bankroll is "meh" but it doesn't mentally or financially destroy you.

Taking breaks for a few days or a week has always helped me. If things really go bad I sometimes switch sites or games for a while. I would recommend having some money on a secondary site that you can go to when things aren't going well on your primary site. This all might not be possible if you are playing for a living (I'm assuming you don't since you play 25NL). If you normally play NL on full tilt, try stud8 or 5draw on stars for a couple of days. Switching games/sites usually seems to break me out of any clouded mental state that seems to overcome me when I am running really bad.

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Playing over-rolled helps. I will drop down in levels if I'm running bad for an extended period. I will also regularly switch up my game and donk it up at some MTT's or SNG's for a bit, try some omaha or stud. This is also a great recipe for stunting your poker growth unfortunately.

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One thing is when you sit down at a table always ask yourself if your money is going to come from winning small pots or big pots and adjust your game accordingly.



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That sounds like incredibly bad advice. You play with adjustments to table conditions not if today you feel like winning small pots or big pots.

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One thing is when you sit down at a table always ask yourself if your money is going to come from winning small pots or big pots and adjust your game accordingly.



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That sounds like incredibly bad advice. You play with adjustments to table conditions not if today you feel like winning small pots or big pots.

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That's what I mean. I never said what you "felt like" I meant how the games were playing... sorry I thought that was implied [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Playing over-rolled helps. I will drop down in levels if I'm running bad for an extended period. I will also regularly switch up my game and donk it up at some MTT's or SNG's for a bit, try some omaha or stud. This is also a great recipe for stunting your poker growth unfortunately.

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WTF??? Learning different games will always help your other games.

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One thing is when you sit down at a table always ask yourself if your money is going to come from winning small pots or big pots and adjust your game accordingly.



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That sounds like incredibly bad advice. You play with adjustments to table conditions not if today you feel like winning small pots or big pots.

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I think he means that you should examine the table conditions and base your strategy on what you find, not just randomly decide whether you feel like playing big or small pots during this session.

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Playing over-rolled helps. I will drop down in levels if I'm running bad for an extended period. I will also regularly switch up my game and donk it up at some MTT's or SNG's for a bit, try some omaha or stud. This is also a great recipe for stunting your poker growth unfortunately.

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WTF??? Learning different games will always help your other games.

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I agree with this. It makes you more well rounded and can keep your mind fresh.

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Playing over-rolled helps. I will drop down in levels if I'm running bad for an extended period. I will also regularly switch up my game and donk it up at some MTT's or SNG's for a bit, try some omaha or stud. This is also a great recipe for stunting your poker growth unfortunately.

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WTF??? Learning different games will always help your other games.

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I completely agree. I find myself just finally starting to learn NL cash after a year or so of poker, so the comment came out slightly twisted.
edit: (and am a ridiculous bankroll nit)

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A...day... off???? I usually try to take a day off (and fail), but playing other games is great. I play a little horse sometimes. Or morrowind.

It can be hard not to question yourself, but if you look back at your historical stats, hopefully that will be enough to reassure you.

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I dropped a few buy-ins today and took a break.

Came back, dropped a few more.

I tell myself that it's good when someone sucks out on me, because I got my money in with the best of it.

If I knew his cards, I would make the same play again.

The luck will even out in the long run.

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Wanted to say thanks for the advice boys, I dropped back down to $10 NL where Im about 40-45 buy ins as opposed to around 20 ish at $25 NL, I was up $25 despite still running cold as a cucumber, the Aces hand I think I played to perfection and he spiked a 2 outer on me after the money got in, the KK hand I played super fast pre flop bc I want to get an AK or 2 Queens hand in there pre flop, AJ suited called 2 all ins and hit runner runner flush on me, I guess I shoulda probably just made a normal reraise? I bet I get 2 pushes behind me regardless:

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tking4unc [Ac Ad]
Tking4unc: calls $0.10
Nacho667: folds
tyt08: raises $0.25 to $0.35
sul the bull: folds
bankerupted: folds
wei7751: calls $0.35
DaNatural22: folds
devon06atX: folds
Tking4unc: raises $1.65 to $2
tyt08: calls $1.65
wei7751: calls $1.65
*** FLOP *** [9s 3d 8d]
Tking4unc: bets $5
tyt08: calls $4.65 and is all-in
wei7751: calls $0.85 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s 3d 8d] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [9s 3d 8d Jd] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tking4unc: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
tyt08: shows [Js Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
tyt08 collected $7.20 from side pot
wei7751: mucks hand
tyt08 collected $8.30 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.30 Main pot $8.30. Side pot $7.20. | Rake $0.80
Board [9s 3d 8d Jd Qh]
Seat 1: Tking4unc showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces

Dealt to Tking4unc [Kh Kd]
Sevenoutt: calls $0.10
Kuhlke007: calls $0.10
LOLBillFrist: raises $0.80 to $0.90
Jiggy Moe: folds
boutitson: calls $0.90
Tking4unc: raises $13.25 to $14.15 and is all-in
McCount: folds
DaVols2K7: folds
Sevenoutt: folds
Kuhlke007: folds
LOLBillFrist: calls $8.35 and is all-in
boutitson: calls $3.95 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3c Qh 8d]
*** TURN *** [3c Qh 8d] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [3c Qh 8d 5c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LOLBillFrist: shows [Ks Ad] (high card Ace)
Tking4unc: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Tking4unc collected $8.35 from side pot
boutitson: shows [Ac Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
boutitson collected $14.20 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.70 Main pot $14.20. Side pot $8.35. | Rake $1.15
Board [3c Qh 8d 5c 4c]

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

drink.

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Yea I was kicking myself, but I really think if I make it like $2.70 to go or $3 that Im gonna get a push from AK for sure and I bet AJ suited auto calls as well. I guess I "want those calls" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You played both hands fine. If your downswings consists of bad beats like this, you should be happy.

In my experience the worst thing you could do now is let these beats affect your game. I had a nasty downswing in January that started with a series of bad beats just like yours. They cost me a few buy-ins. Then i began to doubt my game, started to make random adjustments, and ended up with a terrible month. The bulk of the losses came after the streak of bad luck had ended.

If these beats bother you, move down. Play ABC poker. Don't try to force things just because you feel you have to "do something". Then, when you feel your game coming back, look at the losing hands in the downswing. Identify the bad beats and forget about them. Learn from the others.

Bad beats, after all, are just rake. Only less predictable.

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To get through them, you must remember other downswings that occured. Realize that this to shall pass, and that the first two days of the month are trivial compared to the last 28. And that in a 10-20 k sample you can run about break even with any sort of variance combo you could think of.

My first two days of march!
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7...weekendlw7.png

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Im multi tabling $25 NL these days and I look at my stats at the end of sessions and Im winning an incredible amount of small pots without the showdown, but it seems like everytime the money gets in there Im taking beat after beat.

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I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but IMHO NLHE is TERRIBLY suited to multitabling.

It might be because I can't walk and chew gum simultaneously, but every time I hear someone say "multitabling" and "losing big pots" in the same sentence I wonder if it's because they're missing important details like betting patterns, etc.

Just try single-tabling for a while. If things perk up all the sudden, you might be onto something.

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Im multi tabling $25 NL these days and I look at my stats at the end of sessions and Im winning an incredible amount of small pots without the showdown, but it seems like everytime the money gets in there Im taking beat after beat.

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I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but IMHO NLHE is TERRIBLY suited to multitabling.

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I agree with you... but I also multi-table... what does that say about me? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

Alcohol

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I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but IMHO NLHE is TERRIBLY suited to multitabling.

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Yep I think that's only you who thinks so... However there is a big difference between 2-4 tabling vs 12 tabling. Start with 2 tables and slowly move up until you get adjusted.

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I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but IMHO NLHE is TERRIBLY suited to multitabling.

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Yep I think that's only you who thinks so... However there is a big difference between 2-4 tabling vs 12 tabling. Start with 2 tables and slowly move up until you get adjusted.

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No he isn't. The thing however is that your win rate won't drop so much that adding the extra tables doesn't over compensate for it.

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I used to think multitabling NL was stupid. I also thought that playing NL online was retarted. What does it say about me that the first time I played NL online I multitabled? Anyway, I find four tabling pretty easy with PT and PAHUD. FRNL goes so slowly that you really don't get that many hands. It's also easier if you play kinda tight. I'm like playing 16/8 lately. I'm playing NL$100, though. If I were playing bigger I think I'd need to pay closer attention to my opponents.

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

table selection is pretty important i feel, try and sit down at tables where there are not too many regs as you will not get their money as easily. I have paid more attention to this recently and have been getting better results accordingly

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

Each time I have a bad session (more than 2k hands) I go to the games notes in PT and try to figure if I am running bad or if I'm on tilt/FPS. I simply replay all the hands with a pot > 20bb won or lost. Most of the time it's variance and sometimes I can see how bad I can play when I'm on tilt. When I have an hesitation about the way I played a hand I ask to friends or I post the hand on the forum.

When the downswing last for more than 10k I try to check deeper :
_ I look at all my pp and see how many times I hit a set on the flop while holding a pp. This should be roughly 12%. I have been as low as 8% over 10k hands.
_ I look at the frequency of the big winning hand : QQ+/AK. _ I look at all the classical setup loose/win a stack and see if i'm even. I'm thinking about set over set, KK vs AA, flush over flush (with two cards of course), str8 over str8 and things like that.
_ I look at my AI with drawing hands and AI against drawing hand.

These kinds of checking can help you to:
_ Stay confident in your game which is really important when you are running bad.
_ Find out when you are on tilt much quicker.

Last but not least : I use the grindhouse thread to whime.

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How do you do this in PT?

- I look at all my pp and see how many times I hit a set on the flop while holding a pp. This should be roughly 12%. I have been as low as 8% over 10k hands.

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

be properly rolled to the point where the money doesnt have the same value to you as cash sitting in front of you. downswings are tough and in todays online poker landscape variance is high. i had a 19 buyin downswing at 6-max in january, and i consider myself a decent player.

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I have had a 15 buyin downswing, 10 buyin, and two 8s, in the last 6 months. This is against a background of 6 winning months (1 breakeven after rakeback etc. (: )

It is correct to question yourself. Have the games you are playing stiffened up? Are you on tilt? Have you disrupted something in your style?

In each case deeper PT analysis suggested that a lot of my swings were variance related, of the form JetSet lays out well above.

However, in my case, there is definitely some tilt involved. I am certainly victim of the "of course TPTK gets busted by a set" wallowing in self-pity, when normally you might have lost $60 and allowed yourself to get stacked. Or the paying off a flush draw when you know its hit just to "prove" how unlucky you are.

When I find myself doing this I do the following:
1) Introduce daily stop losses if I am unhappy with my play (today I am self banned after dropping 3 buyins).
2) Post/Review hands more. I particularly check for showdown hands to see if I am stacking off light
3) Tighten up a little. I have read High Limit posts who view this as a form of tilt, which it probably is in terms of generating wins at that level, but at our stakes I am less convinced.

Incidentally, I believe a 15 buyin downswing highlights my weakness as a player. I was a bit surprised to see posters who I respect like Berge had suffered similar spells. Do others have views on this.

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Lame ass question here, are some people really just not supposed to play poker? I know I probably made a loose call with 2 4s there, im playing down a limit trying to flop hands, I love how I tell the guy in the 2nd hand he has AQ, then he sticks his chips in there. Any suggestions or again do you tip your cap to variance? I mean it goes back to what I said earlier Ive got notes on both players, had him on AQ and puked when the Q rolled off, and had the guy on AA KK there and the Ace rolls off... do you see all 5 before making your move or do you just tip your cap there bc I was in so well

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tking4unc [4c 4d]
JELion: folds
slowplay1: folds
Weedh0: calls $0.10
Guillermo68: calls $0.10
Ice Princezz: calls $0.10
chipBolduc: folds
wirewraps: raises $0.40 to $0.50
oriolesfan77: folds
Tking4unc: calls $0.40
Weedh0: folds
Guillermo68: folds
Ice Princezz: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [7d 4s 7s]
Tking4unc: checks
Ice Princezz: bets $0.80
wirewraps: raises $1.40 to $2.20
Tking4unc: raises $7.30 to $9.50 and is all-in
Ice Princezz: folds
wirewraps: calls $7.30
*** TURN *** [7d 4s 7s] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [7d 4s 7s 3s] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tking4unc: shows [4c 4d] (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
wirewraps: shows [As Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
wirewraps collected $20.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.55 | Rake $1.05
Board [7d 4s 7s 3s Ad]


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tking4unc [Ah Kd]
2PANCHO2: calls $0.10
$crubby: folds
slowplay1: calls $0.10
solocap: raises $0.30 to $0.40
ajh1037: folds
oriolesfan77: folds
sarto555: calls $0.35
Tking4unc: calls $0.30
2PANCHO2: calls $0.30
slowplay1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad 8c 9s]
sarto555: checks
Tking4unc: bets $1
2PANCHO2: folds
solocap: raises $2 to $3
sarto555: folds
Tking4unc: raises $6.45 to $9.45 and is all-in
Tking4unc said, "AQ is no good"
Tking4unc said, "i show"
solocap: calls $6.45
*** TURN *** [Ad 8c 9s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 8c 9s Qs] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tking4unc: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Aces)
solocap: shows [As Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
solocap collected $19.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.60 | Rake $1
Board [Ad 8c 9s Qs Th]

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

I've run into this for the past 30,000 hands myself... in fact I've played that AK/AQ hand and had the same thing happen. I've certainly helped things out variance wise though by calling down with worse flushes, calling a turn reraise with AK on a board of 667A2 in a multiway pot. It seems like everything I do is the wrong play. But I have analyzed the variance as well, for instance in 13 ai situations where I was 80% or better to win I only won 6 of them.

I honestly can see why people start going off saying sites are rigged, the worst hand always wins, blah blah blah. Maybe some of us are just "unlucky", meaning that while every one gets the same amount of luck "in the long run", the long run for some is years. I mean let's face it, for every person who has great "luck" in poker (meaning they hit their draws a little more often and have their best hands hold up as much or more than they should) there has to be someone on the opposite end of the "luck". Sucks if it's you.

How many would be great players have quit too soon because they recieved their long run of bad luck at the start rather than after a few years of playing and doing well?

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I agree that some people have more luck than others, My question is when do you walk away? If you are honestly taking these beats on a daily basis do you just need to tip your cap to the Gods and walk away? I love poker adn really just love playing, but its just so lame sometimes to take hands like this

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I agree that some people have more luck than others, My question is when do you walk away? If you are honestly taking these beats on a daily basis do you just need to tip your cap to the Gods and walk away? I love poker adn really just love playing, but its just so lame sometimes to take hands like this

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im going to show you something here that may be painful to look at. this is all 100NL and i am a winning player over a significant sample. during this run my winning % was less than 50% with full houses and three of a kind, and i was down money with flushes in addition to those two. im still running at a decent winrate lifetime at 100NL, but these kinds of runs do happen. also this is 6m so variance is higher but this was still pretty gross and lots of people would probably quit during this kind of run. also note that while a vast majority of it was bad luck, it also did get to my head and i was definitely not playing 100% optimally all the way through.


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...c85/ewwwww.jpg

note that this is 13 days, and was a lot of money to me at the time. i looked through PT, fixed a few minor things, but realized i was still playing well for the most part. here is the next week after that run:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...85/shipppp.jpg

you just gotta have the mental toughness (and the bankroll) to push through it

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The hard part is dealing with the psychological. I moved to NL (came back rather) because the limit games sucked. I started at NL10 and did OK, yeah I made a few bad stack offs when I started again but considering the much higher rake my win rate was pretty good. But then I move up to NL25 and the "variance" kicks in. Down 8 bi in 3400 hands. All of it was bad beats except for 1/2 a buy in. So I drop back down, win a bit at NL10 and move back up. I get up 4 bi just by winning small pots and then boom... down 6 more buy ins. This time it was partly tilting with stuff like weak flushes that I maybe could have gotten away from if I was a better player, AK in a rr pot with TPTK (K) and the 1/2 stack pushes (he had AA)... etc, etc... but what set me on tilt was yet another flopped top two pair or set (this time it was top two pair) being up against a flopped straight, then getting ai with the best hand and the guy hitting his two outer. Of course the problem now is the psychological part, everytime I am raised I feel I am beat. Everytime I get a hand I wonder how it will go bad.

The big problem I am finding adjusting to these NL games is how bad the players are. It seems that everytime I am out of a hand the donks are going nuts calling down or raising with weak hands then suddenly I get in a hand with them and they show up with the goods having slowplayed some monster hand, or draw out along the way. I haven't been able to adjust to this, especially after "wanting" to win so much after the bad beats. Maybe I'm just unlucky at Full Tilt, I've won on the other two sites I've played but have not been able to win consistently on FT at all. Bad beat after bad beat after... ad nauseum. But I don't really believe any site is rigged, or that they have a "doom switch" so I keep playing and losing. Interestingly it is always when the games are "good" that I lose... not sure why that is.

The problem for me is making a nice salary in the professional world means that playing this NL10 crap is starting to be a waste of my time. Sure I'd like to get better and move up some levels, I've read just about every book there is on poker and analyzed tons of hands, but I'm just not good enough at NL to not let the constant bad luck (and I'm talking statistically very bad) send me on tilt and lose more.

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I definately consider myself mentally tough, its been about a year of stone breaking even... and maybe I should take something from that, Im running so bad but losing a very small % of my bankroll before building it back. It just gets old when you start counting your bad beat pots up and think "Damn Id be comfortably near $1k if I could hold a hand"

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Lame ass question here, are some people really just not supposed to play poker? I know I probably made a loose call with 2 4s there, im playing down a limit trying to flop hands, I love how I tell the guy in the 2nd hand he has AQ, then he sticks his chips in there. Any suggestions or again do you tip your cap to variance? I mean it goes back to what I said earlier Ive got notes on both players, had him on AQ and puked when the Q rolled off, and had the guy on AA KK there and the Ace rolls off... do you see all 5 before making your move or do you just tip your cap there bc I was in so well

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tking4unc [4c 4d]
JELion: folds
slowplay1: folds
Weedh0: calls $0.10
Guillermo68: calls $0.10
Ice Princezz: calls $0.10
chipBolduc: folds
wirewraps: raises $0.40 to $0.50
oriolesfan77: folds
Tking4unc: calls $0.40
Weedh0: folds
Guillermo68: folds
Ice Princezz: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [7d 4s 7s]
Tking4unc: checks
Ice Princezz: bets $0.80
wirewraps: raises $1.40 to $2.20
Tking4unc: raises $7.30 to $9.50 and is all-in
Ice Princezz: folds
wirewraps: calls $7.30
*** TURN *** [7d 4s 7s] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [7d 4s 7s 3s] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tking4unc: shows [4c 4d] (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
wirewraps: shows [As Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
wirewraps collected $20.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.55 | Rake $1.05
Board [7d 4s 7s 3s Ad]


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tking4unc [Ah Kd]
2PANCHO2: calls $0.10
$crubby: folds
slowplay1: calls $0.10
solocap: raises $0.30 to $0.40
ajh1037: folds
oriolesfan77: folds
sarto555: calls $0.35
Tking4unc: calls $0.30
2PANCHO2: calls $0.30
slowplay1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad 8c 9s]
sarto555: checks
Tking4unc: bets $1
2PANCHO2: folds
solocap: raises $2 to $3
sarto555: folds
Tking4unc: raises $6.45 to $9.45 and is all-in
Tking4unc said, "AQ is no good"
Tking4unc said, "i show"
solocap: calls $6.45
*** TURN *** [Ad 8c 9s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 8c 9s Qs] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tking4unc: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Aces)
solocap: shows [As Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
solocap collected $19.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.60 | Rake $1
Board [Ad 8c 9s Qs Th]

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cry me a river? i just wish i got my money in good when my hand was still best. when you move up, people don't stack off that easily.

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One thing is when you sit down at a table always ask yourself if your money is going to come from winning small pots or big pots and adjust your game accordingly.



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That sounds like incredibly bad advice. You play with adjustments to table conditions not if today you feel like winning small pots or big pots.

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No it's good advice. You see how the table plays, and decide whether it's longball (you play tighter/for big pots) or shortball (you play looser + aggy, wanting to take small pots off people by aggression).

tight tables = shortball, loose tables = longball, roughly.

it's of course more sophisticated than that at mixed tables (ie most of the time).


And of course you playing the table like that tends to change the dynamic, especially if you're the only loosey on a tight table. It will frequently loosen up for you.

Re: How do you guys get through the \"down swings\"
 

Well I mean obviously the 44 vs AA hand played itself, and I wasnt "crying a river" I just wonder looking back, since I had the guy on AQ or AJ, a really good read based on my notes on the guy, should I consider taking one more card off before I push back? Or do you take satisfaction on making the right read and right play? I really think if I see the Queen roll off... Im gonna check call and maybe save a bet