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Tawbor 03-01-2007 07:24 PM

Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
Villain is 37/13/1.5 over 40 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
CO: $32.40
BTN: $27.90
SB: $41.1
BB: $19.6
Hero (UTG): $28.90

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.35, 5 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($8, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, Hero?

Is this a spot to keep the pot small, or do you risk leaving money on the table by calling on turn and river? The villains turn bet looks awful weak.

Antinome 03-01-2007 07:33 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
I have to confess I call here a lot.

pokahpaul 03-01-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
i prefer calling. raising here will only slow down hands that you can extract more value from and keep the hands that have you beat.

Bakedd 03-01-2007 08:15 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
I call and hope he bluffs again on river. He may also think that he is betting alot of hands for value that you beat.

Thremp 03-01-2007 08:17 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
I like a call here. Board is so dry. You can value raise river.

SirFelixCat 03-01-2007 08:17 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
What's your image? Have you been raising a lot? 3-betting? That would play a big part on how I, as you, would go forward with this hand.

Barring anything out-of-line, I'm calling the turn and re-evaluating the river.

Tawbor 03-01-2007 08:27 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
Raising and 3-betting liberally during those 40 hands.

Antinome 03-01-2007 08:29 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
We're a sorry lot of weak-tight girlymen. Think about what kind of orgasms our opponents would be having all over this pot with AA.

SirFelixCat 03-01-2007 09:43 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
Raising and 3-betting liberally during those 40 hands.

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Then, IMO, I'm AT LEAST calling here, if not raising. If you call, I'd pop a non-scary river. If you raise and he just calls, I value-bet on the end.

Wolfram 03-01-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
I call, and it's because I'm slowplaying, not pot-controlling (especially with your image). Villains small lead into you is probably the infamous "bet for info" and it's very likely he's planning to fold to a raise. Plus, that deuce is a great card for you 'cause it turns any 5 outer into a 2 outer, and it means there are only 7 possible sets instead of 9.

I'd definitely raise the river for value if he fires small again.

Wolfram 03-01-2007 10:03 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
We're a sorry lot of weak-tight girlymen. Think about what kind of orgasms our opponents would be having all over this pot with AA.

[/ QUOTE ]
Our opponents have orgasms any time they flop top pair, let alone an overpair. Most of them are never getting away from AA, no matter the flop (not even on 678 monocolored).

Not getting stacked with TPTK/overpairs is one of the main advantages we have over the donkey's.

However, this board is so good for us and our image is loose so we should be villing to play for stacks IMO. It's just a question of how we get the most value. I don't think the best way is to raise the turn.

Tawbor 03-02-2007 01:28 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
To continue the hand

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
CO: $32.40
BTN: $27.90
SB: $41.1
BB: $19.6
Hero (UTG): $28.90

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($0.35, 5 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($8, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3

<font color="black">River:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($14, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $5.75</font>

My hand can't be good now can it? Or can Villain bet river with a pocket pair?

VPIP100 03-02-2007 02:02 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
You can fold this safely, just call if hes retarded.

allaboutmyfetti 03-02-2007 02:11 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
wat was villian's w2sd? I raise this turn a lot ... i think i have a personal vendetta against the c/c-donk line.

eigenvalue 03-02-2007 02:59 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
There are no draws out there, so calling is good here.

SCBielski 03-02-2007 03:28 PM

Re: Pot Control VS Value Bet
 
I'd raise the turn. This looks a lot like KQ or KJ getting excited on the turn because they have action. If you raise the turn to $9 you get more value than calling the $3 bet on the turn and then their $6 bet on the river. As for the river, you can easily fold this and be confident they have a fullhouse, esscially because of the value bet on the river.


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