Dealer exposes my hand even though I didn\'t call
 

I was at Commerce last week and yelled at a dealer for the first time ever.

40/80 hold'em game. There were three of us in a hand on the turn when I raised and another guy behind me 3-bet. The original bettor folded and told the dealer he wanted to see both hands. (This is a dumb rule, but whatever, he's allowed to do it.)

I call and check-fold the river (I had flopped top two pair and "knew" I was up against a flopped flush). The guy who 3-bet the turn showed his flush, and then the dealer took my cards out of the muck and showed them even though I didn't call.

Not cool, especially when a bunch of aggro guys get to see you make a "big" laydown in a huge pot.

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Obviously terrible on the dealer's part. This is close to death penalty material.

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I'd be angry too, but it sounds like a dealer on auto pilot who made a mistake. Definitely not cool and I would definitely admonish him to be more careful, but it was probably not malicious. If he apologized, I'd let it go.

Jeff

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Dealers put out about 1200 hands a week.
They go on autopilot at times.
They make mistakes.
They are human.
Maybe it stuck in his mind that Mr BoosterShot had asked to see both hands and he forgot or didn't notice you did not call, especially since the Flush showed his hand.

On a scale of 1-10 I would give it a 3.5

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Similiar;

Playing at Salamanca NY, I was in a hand against a guy whom I had never seen play sober until Tonight. Got in a big pot against him where I re-raised pre flop, and he finally folded to my double-barrell on the Turn.

The dealer peaked at my hand after the guy folded, and i pushed my cards towards her with a dollar on them...
she then turned them over for everyone to see saying that the "show one show all" rule applies to showing the dealer the cards as well....

I left when the blinds came to me

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Not really.
About 8.7 out of 10.

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No this is not similar at all. This is something the dealer should be fired for - no joke.

Jeff

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I don't think that's similar either.

First one I would laugh off. Clearly was more of an accident than anything else.

No biggie. So I made a big lay-down and the rest of the table got information on me. Meh, not the end of the world. Dealer didn't mean to mess up.

But in the 2nd one the dealer DID mean to do what she did. And what she did was really bad.

1st one was an accidental space-out.
2nd one was a dealer peaking at your hand and then coming to the incredible decision to turn it over for everyone else too.

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Playing at Foxwoods, check, check river, showed my top pair, guy nodded, put his cards face down in front of the dealer.

I put a chip on my cards and waited for the pot.

Dealer says she needs to see both hands. The other player doesnt care, he knows he missed his flush, doesn't turn over cards.

The dealer reaches over, flips up his cards showing the made gutshot.

I freak out, start screaming at the dealer. She calls the floor.

The floor backs her up, says you have to see both hands.


Was another day and a half before I could get anyone on the floor to agree that the dealer screwed up.

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Wow. WTF?? That one is just bizarre.

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Dealers put out about 1200 hands a week.
They go on autopilot at times.
They make mistakes.
They are human.
Maybe it stuck in his mind that Mr BoosterShot had asked to see both hands and he forgot or didn't notice you did not call, especially since the Flush showed his hand.

On a scale of 1-10 I would give it a 3.5

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But don't you know? Dealers are held to a higher standard than anyone else would be held to in their job. God forbid out of the 100s of 1000s of hands they actually screw up somewhere.

b

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Obviously terrible on the dealer's part. This is close to death penalty material.

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b

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Playing at Foxwoods, check, check river, showed my top pair, guy nodded, put his cards face down in front of the dealer.

I put a chip on my cards and waited for the pot.

Dealer says she needs to see both hands. The other player doesnt care, he knows he missed his flush, doesn't turn over cards.

The dealer reaches over, flips up his cards showing the made gutshot.

I freak out, start screaming at the dealer. She calls the floor.

The floor backs her up, says you have to see both hands.

Was another day and a half before I could get anyone on the floor to agree that the dealer screwed up.

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This is retarded.

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The original bettor folded and told the dealer he wanted to see both hands. (This is a dumb rule, but whatever, he's allowed to do it.)

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During the week I played in LA last summer, this was the worst thing. If I heard this "I want to see both [all] hands" once, I heard it fifty times. Does Commerce ever do anything to players who abuse the right to request to see hands?

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I call and check-fold the river

the dealer took my cards out of the muck
and showed them even though I didn't call.

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Did you check then the player started to bet and you folded?

If the dealer didn't see a bet on the river it was an honest mistake.

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Similiar;

Playing at Salamanca NY, I was in a hand against a guy whom I had never seen play sober until Tonight. Got in a big pot against him where I re-raised pre flop, and he finally folded to my double-barrell on the Turn.

The dealer peaked at my hand after the guy folded, and i pushed my cards towards her with a dollar on them...
she then turned them over for everyone to see saying that the "show one show all" rule applies to showing the dealer the cards as well....

I left when the blinds came to me

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I ask the dealer for the dollar back, and I make sure never to tip that dealer again!

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Playing at Salamanca NY, I was in a hand against a guy whom I had never seen play sober until Tonight. Got in a big pot against him where I re-raised pre flop, and he finally folded to my double-barrell on the Turn.

The dealer peaked at my hand after the guy folded, and i pushed my cards towards her with a dollar on them...
she then turned them over for everyone to see saying that the "show one show all" rule applies to showing the dealer the cards as well....

I left when the blinds came to me


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I call bullsh!t on this one. What happened when you called the floor? Yeah, right......

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Playing at Salamanca NY, I was in a hand against a guy whom I had never seen play sober until Tonight. Got in a big pot against him where I re-raised pre flop, and he finally folded to my double-barrell on the Turn.

The dealer peaked at my hand after the guy folded, and i pushed my cards towards her with a dollar on them...
she then turned them over for everyone to see saying that the "show one show all" rule applies to showing the dealer the cards as well....

I left when the blinds came to me


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I call bullsh!t on this one. What happened when you called the floor? Yeah, right......

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I didn't call the floor, wasn't even thinking about that. Was just very pissed by what happened.
Played for alittle while longer and left.

For anyone who plays in Salamanca, her and her husband both deal at the Casino. I do not remember her name, but I believe her husbands name is Mark.

This was the only negative experience I ever had with her, or any dealer at that casino. I'd never seen her do it before or since.

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During the week I played in LA last summer, this was the worst thing. If I heard this "I want to see both [all] hands" once, I heard it fifty times. Does Commerce ever do anything to players who abuse the right to request to see hands?

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Yeah, if you do it too much and the other players start to complain. A while ago a table coach was asking to see all hands almost every hand. Then he announced to the dealer that he wanted every hand to be shown if they called the river, so he wouldn't have to ask every hand. At that point half the table yelled for the floor, and the floorman told him that he could ask occasionally during a big hand, but not every hand. This, of course, resulted in a five minute argument over what occasionally meant. Finally, the floor told the dealer that this guy could only ask once every two rounds, and left.

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For anyone who plays in Salamanca, her and her husband both deal at the Casino. I do not remember her name, but I believe her husbands name is Mark.

This was the only negative experience I ever had with her, or any dealer at that casino. I'd never seen her do it before or since.

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Was she in her late 30s-early 40s? Curly dark hair? If so, her name is Sharon and it's incredibly hard for me to believe, because she and her husband are two of the absolute best that place has.

Clearly Juanez has never played at Salamanca before, either--I'm reminded of TT's comment (I think) about experience being neither necessary nor an advantage for the floor there. When I played there more regularly, it was nothing to see a complete nightmare ruling once a night... at each table.

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For anyone who plays in Salamanca, her and her husband both deal at the Casino. I do not remember her name, but I believe her husbands name is Mark.

This was the only negative experience I ever had with her, or any dealer at that casino. I'd never seen her do it before or since.

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Was she in her late 30s-early 40s? Curly dark hair? If so, her name is Sharon and it's incredibly hard for me to believe, because she and her husband are two of the absolute best that place has.

Clearly Juanez has never played at Salamanca before, either--I'm reminded of TT's comment (I think) about experience being neither necessary nor an advantage for the floor there. When I played there more regularly, it was nothing to see a complete nightmare ruling once a night... at each table.

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That about describes her, although I always thought she was a big younger (I can't tell age very well at all).

and as I prevously said, I had never seen her do anything wrong before or after and I played there alot.

Maybe she thought the cards were exposed to someone else as well, I don't know.

I just know that's what happened on this one particular evening.