What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

So, in order to settle a little argue between me and a friend of mine, I'm turning to 2+2 for help. I realize this is a vague question. But in general, what kind of players would you want at your table in a standard online MTT (no rebuys).

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

In a STT, I'd be more tempted to say only tight passives, because you'd be able to consistently cash, even in those tournaments which you get dealt absolutely no hands.

In an MTT, you need to accumulate many many chips for best chance at big cash, so assuming that you're talking about the FIRST table in an MTT, I'd rather all maniacs. If just the final table, my answer would be the same as for STT.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

The question is for MTT's only. And for a complete tourney, not just the final table.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

I know the question was for MTTs only. I was just expanding my opinion on the contrast, which might prompt more discussion.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

If we are assuming the tight passives will not shif gears as the blinds rise, it's not even close.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

Even in an STT I would want a table full of maniacs rather than tight passives. Tight play early would result in the oter players knocking eachother out. And you would probobly only need to catch a good hand once or twice to have a great chanche to double/triple up. In my opinion the value of the mistakes a maniac makes greatly outweights the missing value of fold equity.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

Gimme nits all day babay and i'll take them antes

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

no contest, I'll take a table full of rocks all day long. A maniac can be dangerous, they can draw out on you, and they get good action on their made hands. I'd rather grind the rocks down to pebbles.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

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no contest, I'll take a table full of rocks all day long. A maniac can be dangerous, they can draw out on you, and they get good action on their made hands. I'd rather grind the rocks down to pebbles.

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Then I would say you are just scared of variance. In poker you make money when an opponent makes a mistake. If I wanted to make as many and as big mistakes as possible I would play like a maniac, and not tight passive.

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

bad ones

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

Obviously nits that will roll over and get pwned when you loosen up.

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Obviously nits that will roll over and get pwned when you loosen up.

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I'm having some trouble understanding why this is obvious, so please help me out. Why do you think the value of 8 maniacs donating all their chips is less than 8 tight passive players. It's not like a tight passive player always will let you steal his blind. In general pushing your stack in the middle with crap, or calling an all in with crap (maniacs do this too you know) will be a bigger mistake than folding your blinds light. Do you see why?

Re: What type of players do you want at your table? (LC)
 

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Obviously nits that will roll over and get pwned when you loosen up.

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I'm having some trouble understanding why this is obvious, so please help me out. Why do you think the value of 8 maniacs donating all their chips is less than 8 tight passive players. It's not like a tight passive player always will let you steal his blind. In general pushing your stack in the middle with crap, or calling an all in with crap (maniacs do this too you know) will be a bigger mistake than folding your blinds light. Do you see why?

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The only way to beat loose passive players is to get good cards and value bet the crap out of them. Being at a table with this kind of players is great when you are running hot and picking up great hands. It is less good when you are dry on cards though.

On a table of nits, you don't need cards to get a good stack. Here you can as a thinking player use your skills to play loose agressive, and slowly but consistently build a big stack. You can play and win a lot of small pots, and almost never fail to build a large stack. This technique can rarely be used online because most players there are loose passive/agressive. However, a lot of top class players, like Phil Ivey, use this strategy early in big events like the WSOP ME. Here it works fine, because the players are tight and scared.