$3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Villian is stdjog12. I don't really know much about him, but seems LAG. Thoughts on him / my play? I can't get the converter to work but whatever. Also, nothing about the sidepot dude.

About $800 effective stacks.

Poker Stars $3/6 NL Hold'Em

Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB

Preflop:

stdjog12 raises to $24, 2 callers, I re-raise to about $110 total, stdjog12 calls and one of the original callers calls (SB) as well.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Pot: $360)

SB goes all-in for $70, I call, stdjog12 calls.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot $470)

I check, stdjog12 checks

River: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($470)

stdjog12 pushes for $520, I call.


Good/bad?

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Were you intending to c/r the turn?

I keep thinking a blocker here is good, but I'm not so sure. The protected pot makes this quite tricky.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Bet the turn river is an easy fold.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

I raise flop and raise turn. I probably call the river but I can't fold/

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

i think the flop and the turn were played to passively, with that said on the river your probably beat and it doesnt look like you have the odds to call

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

I'd minraise the flop, or make it 200. You really have to bet the turn though. And I'd probably blockbet the river given how you got there. Not sure why you're so afraid of his range, JJ/QQ make up a good part of it.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

I'd raise flop or bet turn. Doesn't need to be too much given the dry sidepot, maybe a raise to 200 on the flop (could consider folding to a push, i'm not sure - your hand is pretty face up at this point), or bet 200 on the turn.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Raise flop, shove turn or do something. As played, wow, insta-muck river.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

River is an easy fold. He's not going to value bet top pair or QQ here into an empty sidepot like this. IT's also obv not a bluff. I would bet the turn and call his allin on the turn.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

i dont like this line at all. what hands will the villain push to an empty side pot on the river? i can only think of hands that beat you.

raise flop and/or bet turn as others pointed out.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

He could be bluffing with something like JT to try to get weak overpairs here to fold.

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wtf... I don't get this line, actually think it is attrocious. You've got a big pot ($430 by the time it gets to you to act) on the flop and a lot of draws. I sure as hell don't get the call of the tiny bet on flop and check on the turn. Just raise the flop.

Either your getting greedy or playing scared because of the deep stacks. Either way it sucks in my opinion. The only way you can even justify the flop call is if you think that the villan is very aggressive and will raise it up light.

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wtf... I don't get this line, actually think it is attrocious. You've got a big pot ($430 by the time it gets to you to act) on the flop and a lot of draws. I sure as hell don't get the call of the tiny bet on flop and check on the turn. Just raise the flop.

Either your getting greedy or playing scared because of the deep stacks. Either way it sucks in my opinion. The only way you can even justify the flop call is if you think that the villan is very aggressive and will raise it up light.

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Finally someone with balls. I think this hand was played horribly as well. So does everyone else I've talked to about it.


The truth: I am not hero. It was citanul. And I just can't wrap my head around wtf he was thinking. I'm surprised some of you earlier were trying to find ways to justify even one street. Except for PF, this hand is horrible IMO. Citanul, wtf yo?

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

I would bet the turn. I would also check fold the river.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

raise flop and/or bet turn

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wtf... I don't get this line, actually think it is attrocious. You've got a big pot ($430 by the time it gets to you to act) on the flop and a lot of draws. I sure as hell don't get the call of the tiny bet on flop and check on the turn. Just raise the flop.

Either your getting greedy or playing scared because of the deep stacks. Either way it sucks in my opinion. The only way you can even justify the flop call is if you think that the villan is very aggressive and will raise it up light.

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Finally someone with balls. I think this hand was played horribly as well. So does everyone else I've talked to about it.


The truth: I am not hero. It was citanul. And I just can't wrap my head around wtf he was thinking. I'm surprised some of you earlier were trying to find ways to justify even one street. Except for PF, this hand is horrible IMO. Citanul, wtf yo?

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hahaha, why did you post this? just to rub it in cit's face?

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

I'd actually be interested in what he was thinking as well.

As in.... did he just have a brain slip or am I just such a donk that calling/playing hand like this is profitable? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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wtf... I don't get this line, actually think it is attrocious. You've got a big pot ($430 by the time it gets to you to act) on the flop and a lot of draws. I sure as hell don't get the call of the tiny bet on flop and check on the turn. Just raise the flop.

Either your getting greedy or playing scared because of the deep stacks. Either way it sucks in my opinion. The only way you can even justify the flop call is if you think that the villan is very aggressive and will raise it up light.

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Finally someone with balls. I think this hand was played horribly as well. So does everyone else I've talked to about it.


The truth: I am not hero. It was citanul. And I just can't wrap my head around wtf he was thinking. I'm surprised some of you earlier were trying to find ways to justify even one street. Except for PF, this hand is horrible IMO. Citanul, wtf yo?

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hahaha, why did you post this? just to rub it in cit's face?

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A little of that. A little of I'm also curious wtf he was thinking and maybe I'm missing something.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Awful river call. Pot is protected. Release the hand

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

i'd be happy to talk about this hand, but i really don't know wtf the point of posting the hand, and/or the point of changing the stakes/etc, in the manner you did was.

metetron, is there some reason to post this hand at all if you're sure it's played poorly? is there a reason to post it in the fashion it is posted? do you really expect me to give you an answer of my read or thinking after it is posted like this? wtf.

this isn't NVG. you want me to go find 100 hands i've played that are badly played? OMG i have played hands poorly! teh horror.

whatever man, you're not worth it, nor is explaining anything to you ever.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

what did meteron fold the winner and now has to complain to everone? go back to hiding in sweeden or wherever dude you just bring down any forum

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

if you called river and were good you got incredibly lucky. I hate this.

Re: $3/6 KK hand vs stdjog12 with sidepot
 

Make flop $222.