Turn spot with big draw
 

Villain is a regular, one of the better regs in the game. No real history between us, mostly we stay out of each others way. He does call reraises with a fairly wide range I think (ie not just pairs and AK). Is the turn bet good? I figure that if I check and he bets, I'm in big trouble or he has nothing, probably in trouble though. But he will probably check a hand like TT or maybe even Qx and give me a free card. Is the bet size good?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($1288)
Hero ($1947.90)
BB ($1855.05)
UTG ($1000)
MP ($995)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $90.

Flop: ($260) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $175</font>, Button calls $175.

Turn: ($610) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $444</font>

Re: Turn spot with big draw
 

I like your play because he will fold a lot of hands, sometimes even top pair.

If he calls here what are your plans on an A or K river? Spade? Ten? What about another Q or J? What about a total blank?

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I like it. At turn you have big draw and should fire second barrel.

Turn bet size is good. 73 % of the pot marks you to made hand with possible ace or king of spades redraw. You pretty much represent AA, KK or AQ with spade redraw or QQ/JJ.

If villain does not have monster, he will release. I do not think he will call with TPGK and he is in very tough spot with AA or KK.

If he calls you have outs.

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i probably c/f on turn... your draw is marginal at best the guy has AT LEAST a flush here

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i probably c/f on turn... your draw is marginal at best the guy has AT LEAST a flush here

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dude, you need to stop posting and start reading, you have posted some really terrible advice in the last hour

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dude just cause you guys disagree with some of my reasonings you talk so much [censored]. it amazes me. in the other thread too people were talking [censored] when i said to push with the aa then there ended up being others who agreed with the push... Just cause you disagree doesn't mean its wrong... people are really condesending on this forum.. i don't ''see why''

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dude just cause you guys disagree with some of my reasonings you talk so much [censored]. it amazes me. in the other thread too people were talking [censored] when i said to push with the aa then there ended up being others who agreed with the push... Just cause you disagree doesn't mean its wrong... people are really condesending on this forum.. i don't ''see why''

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calling the nut draw marginal is insane, saying villains range is 100% a flush after the action is even dumber. What stakes do you play?

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lots of different stakes.. ussualy 5/10nl or 10/20 if i'm at the bike otherwise i play tournaments online

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i like the play...but i think you might want to bet a little more on the turn just so your decision if he pushes is easy and you maybe (probably not though) have a little more FE. I didn't do the math though, so it might be an easy call if he pushes your $444 bet. I just wouldn't want to leave myself in a wierd situation if i got shoved on, id want an easy call or fold

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the guy has AT LEAST a flush here

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bwahahaahahahahahhahahahahhahhhahaahhhahhaahha. so he can't have Queens, a lone King of spades, JJ or TT with a spade, or a set? are you a gimmick account? cuz if so, nice work.

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i probably c/f on turn... your draw is marginal at best the guy has AT LEAST a flush here

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I personally put him on better than a flush

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villain usually has the nut flush here

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I admit I'd check here a reasonable amount, but if you do bet I like the size (partly because it means you have to call a push and not seeing a river with the nut draw makes me feel sad!).

It seems like he will fold a lot of his holdings here, but I'd also expect him to check plenty behind you also. Maybe betting is better though, depends so much on villian and the feeling on the game.

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why not just shove the turn. you're not folding and playing a river will be awkward. effective stack is not even 1k, and the pot is 610. if a shove was potx2 or more it would feel weird, here it doesnt.

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villain obviously has a straight flush here like all the time. open fold to induce tilt.

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lol theres no straight flush possible !!111!!

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Ya I like this. Good work Isura.

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on a serious note, i also like a turn lead here.

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He does call reraises with a fairly wide range I think (ie not just pairs and AK)

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Is that the only hands people are supposed to call reraises with here ?

Doesn´t something like 65s play better than a small pocket pair ?

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Pot flop shove turn.

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lots of different stakes.. ussualy 5/10nl or 10/20 if i'm at the bike otherwise i play tournaments online

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In other words you have no NL 6-max or online cash game experience at all. GG.

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why not just shove the turn. you're not folding and playing a river will be awkward. effective stack is not even 1k, and the pot is 610. if a shove was potx2 or more it would feel weird, here it doesnt.

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why not just shove the turn. you're not folding and playing a river will be awkward. effective stack is not even 1k, and the pot is 610. if a shove was potx2 or more it would feel weird, here it doesnt.

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I think shoving the turn comes off more as a bluff (especially if you havent been overbetting the pot), Id pot turn call an all-in.

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I disagree, you typically see players doing this type of move with AA or KK with the A or K of spades. The pot is big, they have good hand, they have good draw, they dont want to play guessing games ALL IN

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I just noticed that you also made a gutshot draw, which will often end up being good.

Not that I think he has this hand, but for illustrative purposes, I'm wondering if K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is more likely to fold to a push here than to a non-push? It really doesn't seem like he would be more likely to fold to a push, bc he's getting 5:3 on a call in a situation where you very easily could have just what you have.

Ok, so if he's not less likely to fold to a push, would that make betting less a better option? Of course we're not folding to a raise, but he won't raise 100%.

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I just noticed that you also made a gutshot draw, which will often end up being good.

Not that I think he has this hand, but for illustrative purposes, I'm wondering if K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is more likely to fold to a push here than to a non-push? It really doesn't seem like he would be more likely to fold to a push, bc he's getting 5:3 on a call in a situation where you very easily could have just what you have.

Ok, so if he's not less likely to fold to a push, would that make betting less a better option? Of course we're not folding to a raise, but he won't raise 100%.

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I actually feel that KhKd and possibly AhAd would be scared of a flopped flush to a push but call anyhow. However, I prefer a push here from OP as we get paid from these hands which call when we hit and get lesser hands to fold but don't if we pot and hit the River.

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I disagree, you typically see players doing this type of move with AA or KK with the A or K of spades. The pot is big, they have good hand, they have good draw, they dont want to play guessing games ALL IN

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