200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

I'm sorry for not having the HH, but I can pretty much remember exactly how it went down. I've just been thinking about that specific hand, and talked to some people about it lately.

5 handed, I've been LAG, but only showed down good hands. Villain is unknown to me, although he's been pretty passive pf the past 25 mins, limping alot, and calling raises oop.
We are both around 150bbs.
I'm BB, Villain is SB. folded around. SB completes, I check Q6s (Sometimes I raise here, but I've been fairly active the last few orbits).

Flop Qh 2s 3s, he leads out 6, I re-raise to 22. He calls.
Turn 6d, He checks, I bet 38. He raises to 110.
Hero...?

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

I am calling and probably folding to a bet on the river UI

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

If he's the type to limp 22/33 and lead with draws with 150BB's, I'd take kolotoure's line

If he's not, I'd push the turn.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

blind war = nevafold!

but seriously... ppl do stupid stuff in the blinds at this level, especially if you have a true lag image. I push.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

What are we putting him on? I doubt he does this with complete air.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

call and check/fold unless a non-pairing spade comes or you fill up. i really hope you fill since it isnt easy to get paid if you flush comes unless he sucks/is on tilt

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

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blind war = nevafold!

but seriously... ppl do stupid stuff in the blinds at this level, especially if you have a true lag image. I push.

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Agreed. Also, has no one ever limped KK or AA in their SB?

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

If he has been passive he won't play the turn like this with an overpair

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

Yah, against what he's repping (45 or 22/33), you're obviously behind - but you have lots back and position on the river, so you stand to get paid on the river. Your flush should get a moderate bet called, and maybe you'll jackpot and river a queen against hit set. If he is FOS, I doubt he bluffs river given the action, so there's no value either way - so just call the turn and hope you hit, the implied odds are there.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

If villain has 54,33,22 we have 13 outs are getting the right odds to at least call. I'd disregard 66. He could have QQ, of course, but even then we have 9 outs and I doubt he can fold his top set to a river bet.
That leaves only the question to push or not to push. After playing tight for 25 minutes I doubt villain will feel antsy all of a sudden and go crazy with a semi-bluff check-raise on the turn with let's say As4s or even AsKs. But he could genuinely be thinking his hand is best with AQ,KQ,AA,KK. The problem is those aren't limping hands but villain might have been trying to trap the LAG-Hero.
If we think we can safely fold to a river bet, I'd say call plus fold river unimproved. If we intend to call the river just push it now. As ikestoys said,it's a blind war and top two pair plus flush draw is pretty much a monster.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

Really tough hand but I don't think a decent player can have anything but a straight here, perhaps a set a small percentage of the time as well.

He overbet the pot into you on the flop and called a hefty reraise which I see as most likely being a draw... perhaps he has top pair with a solid kicker that he failed to raise preflop, even AA/KK but I think his checkraise on the turn abandons these possibilities. Most players, after slowplaying these hands preflop and facing resistance on the flop, are content to just checkcall the turn and river.

With implied odds your technically ok to call the turn with your flush and boat draw. However, I know if I called the turn and missed I would still have a tough time folding to a river shove (bad discipline). So I can't really say folding the turn is all that bad if that's what you did!

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

We don't really need implied odds to call unless we are facing QQ,66 or 5s4s. We are offered 2.72:1 and have 13 outs against 54,33,22.

Re: 200nl, very interesting spot on turn. top two + fd.
 

Here's what went through my head.

When he first lead out with the overbet of 6 on the flop, and called my raise to 22 OOP, I was pretty sure he had some type of draw. When he checkraised me on the turn, I was pretty positive that he had 45, and no flushdraw. I'm convinced that he would 4bet with a set on the flop. So I tanked and called. River was a useless 9d. Before calling the turn, I said to myself that I would most likely fold UI. He insta-shoves river. And stupid as I was, I convinced myself to call the small amount. Which I hated myself for the rest of the day, and quit the session because of that. So much for analyzing and sticking to your read, but in the heat of fire - things sometimes gets really messy. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

He showed 45o.