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i am not vegan because i am an animal lover

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Why then?

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I still really really want to know this

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I'm vegan mainly because of the inhumane, and inefficient practices of the meat and dairy industries.

For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.

To date, probably the most reliable and widely-accepted water estimate to produce a pound of beef is the figure of 2,500 gallons.

It's also very inhumane and wasteful.

Since male chickens don't lay eggs, they are useless offspring to the egg industry. So all male chicks are unused, and basically thrown away in the vast majority of factory farms.

Below is a picture of a dumpster of thrown away baby chicks, they are just thrown away, usualy alive.

http://www.atourhands.com/images/arc...ks/chicks1.jpg

http://www.all-creatures.org/images/battery2.jpg

Most animals never go outside, never see day light, and are kept in cages so small they can't turn around.

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If you post things like this, I might consider feeling bad about eating meat. I much prefer to ignore the problem and thus pretend it doesn't exist. That's the American way!

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holy #$@% male chickens dont lay eggs?!?!?

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counterpoint: chicken is tasty

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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Ok, I sorta get it...but why eat out of dumpsters?

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the real question is, have you spent any significant amount of time w/a male chicken?

they suck.

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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Ok, I sorta get it...but why eat out of dumpsters?

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they put all the baby chicks in the dumpster. In the land from which veganmav hails, these are a delicacy.

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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Is there some sort of cruelty-free meat company? I bet that they'd do pretty well even with higher prices.

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For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.


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....and

I mean how much "rainforest" beef is there

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For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.


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....and

I mean how much "rainforest" beef is there

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A counterpoint:

http://www.dining.umd.edu/images/home/chickFilA.jpg

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Ok, I sorta get it...but why eat out of dumpsters?

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it's not entirely related to why i am vegan, but there was already a big thread on it here

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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I wouldn't be opposed to eating it.

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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I wouldn't be opposed to eating it.

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how do you kill chickens in a humane way?

not trying to be a dick, just curious.

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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I wouldn't be opposed to eating it.

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how do you kill chickens in a humane way?

not trying to be a dick, just curious.

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repeating this book on tape all day

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/library/adopt...joyce_wake.jpg

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oh man this thread made me hungry for some bbq chicken.

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Veganman,

I applaud your life style, while I'm sure the numbers are excessive the numbers you give seem impossible. I find the biggest error peta/greenpeace and such have in getting their message across is grossly exagerating the facts, making them seem like alarmists and their information unreliable.

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It's paella time in my casa CHICKEN paella

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For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.

To date, probably the most reliable and widely-accepted water estimate to produce a pound of beef is the figure of 2,500 gallons.


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but more importantly-- why are you a 'mav'? An inexplicable crush on Mark Cuban, perhaps?

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vegan,

how were you so poor growing up?

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For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.

To date, probably the most reliable and widely-accepted water estimate to produce a pound of beef is the figure of 2,500 gallons.


[/ QUOTE ]i'm not disputing these numbers, but just exactly how much rainforest and water do we have? if these numbers are true, don't we use up millions of sq ft of rainforest a day? and millions of gallons of water? at least? and we've been doing this for decades? why aren't we running out of either?

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I think we are running out of both.

Alarming percentages of rain forest have been de-forested.

Pennsylvania State University professor of environmental sciences James Alcock, predicts that if deforestation continues unabated, within 10 to 15 years it will reach a “point of no return,” and the entire Amazon rain forest could be wiped out within 40 or 50 years. The Amazon’s destruction would spell drastic changes in the global environment.

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but more importantly-- why are you a 'mav'? An inexplicable crush on Mark Cuban, perhaps?

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Comes from word maverick: 2. One that refuses to abide by the dictates of or resists adherence to a group; a dissenter.

adj.

Being independent in thought and action or exhibiting such independence

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vegan,

how were you so poor growing up?

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Mom was a poor Mexican, Dad was a jobless hippy. we had no home. = eat out of trash

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Vegan mav, I think you are full of crap. By your standards is it humane to kill millions of rodents, birds, reptiles, and insects that live in fields by dumping pesticides on them? What about running big fat tractors over them? Why is that acceptable?

The simple fact is that we are animals and we need to eat other animals lower than us in the food chain. I'm not willing to spend time and money making chickens and cows comfortable, I just want to eat them so I can stay alive and keep building big muscles that make your girlfriend want to have sex with me.

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I have a carton of fresh-laid eggs from my in-laws farm sitting in my fridge right now. They're delicious.

They let the chickens range on their property... Carmelo the rooster keeps his pimp hand strong and all the egg-laying bitches in line.

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For every quarter-pound hamburger made from rainforest beef, 55 square feet of rainforest are destroyed.

To date, probably the most reliable and widely-accepted water estimate to produce a pound of beef is the figure of 2,500 gallons.


[/ QUOTE ]i'm not disputing these numbers, but just exactly how much rainforest and water do we have? if these numbers are true, don't we use up millions of sq ft of rainforest a day? and millions of gallons of water? at least? and we've been doing this for decades? why aren't we running out of either?

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I think we are running out of both.

Alarming percentages of rain forest have been de-forested.

Pennsylvania State University professor of environmental sciences James Alcock, predicts that if deforestation continues unabated, within 10 to 15 years it will reach a “point of no return,” and the entire Amazon rain forest could be wiped out within 40 or 50 years. The Amazon’s destruction would spell drastic changes in the global environment.

[/ QUOTE ]so at 220 sq ft per pound of beef being destroyed, the rainforest is going to last another 50 years? i didn't realize the rainforest was so gigantically huge, considering we must eat billions of pounds of beef each year.

and what about water? are you seriously going to say we're running out of it?

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Vegan mav, I think you are full of crap. By your standards is it humane to kill millions of rodents, birds, reptiles, and insects that live in fields by dumping pesticides on them? What about running big fat tractors over them? Why is that acceptable?

The simple fact is that we are animals and we need to eat other animals lower than us in the food chain. I'm not willing to spend time and money making chickens and cows comfortable, I just want to eat them so I can stay alive and keep building big muscles that make your girlfriend want to have sex with me.

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I try to minimize suffering. #1 I don't support the former, I dumpster dive my food for one, and also, a vegan diet obviously minimizes suffering. Although obviously CSA diet, or home grown food etc would be better.

It's fine that you eat meat etc.

You aren't willing to spend time/money to minimize suffering/waste/pollution. I am willing to spend time and money to minimize those things.

To each his own.

BTW: I don't have a girlfriend, and I never will.

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wow you really do that stuff? I was just trying to be a d!ck... lol. ummmmm thats pretty amazing that u back up your beliefs like that. I thought the dumpster-diving thing was a joke. take it easy yo

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veganmav,

i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you and everything, but if it takes a couple thousand gallons of water and 55 square feet of rainforest for a cheeseburger, how come a double cheeseburger is still $1 at McDonalds?

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The simple fact is that we are animals and we need to eat other animals lower than us in the food chain. I'm not willing to spend time and money making chickens and cows comfortable, I just want to eat them so I can stay alive and keep building big muscles that make your girlfriend want to have sex with me.

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You don't need animal products to get full spectrum of nutrients that are available from plant sources, barring b12 and you only need a tiny bit of that anyways. If you want to make people's girlfriends jealous for a long time, you'd do yourself a great service by eating a diet lower in animal products and higher in unprocessed plant foods. Heart disease is an epidemic in this country and our animal product heavy diets are responsible for a good share of the blame.

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veganmav,

i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you and everything, but if it takes a couple thousand gallons of water and 55 square feet of rainforest for a cheeseburger, how come a double cheeseburger is still $1 at McDonalds?

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Because enviromental and health costs are the burden of the taxpayers. For instance, a huge reason our energy economy has not shifted to cleaner forms or power is because C02 emmiting power plants in the US (we get about 45% of our electricity from coal burning power plants) aren't taxed at all for the carbon they emit into the atmosphere that warms the earth and causes all sorts of health problems.

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I was just trying to be a d!ck...

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oh man this thread made me hungry for some riverrun

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Wrong forum but I like veganmav now (kinda)

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and what about water? are you seriously going to say we're running out of it?


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wtf, we've had water problems since day on.e

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Excellent job making up preposterous statistics to support your wacky-ass point of view.

What about meat that you find that's already in the trash? OK to eat that? I mean hell, it's already in the trash!

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I knew about this for a while but forgot and remembered it a few weeks ago.

I almost never eat chicken anymore.