Daniel N. lacks pure poker skills?
 

Warning, I don't like how DN makes fun of people and think he's a prejudiced dkhead. This may have biased my opinion of him.

Edit: Daniel, if you read this Patrick A/David B would pwn you anywhere, challenge them to live HU freezeouts for my viewing pleasure please.

After reading Daniel Negraneu's blog on cardplayer (copied below), coupled with his 'LAP' play and inability to fold on HSP season 2, I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't understand poker at near the level of Phil, Barry, and other winning live players (despite donkament wins, I'd put Phil Laak above him). Do you think he's any good compared to average winning online player or do you agree with his analysis, that he's too "distracted" to win. We all know there are many nuances to poker other than 'live tells' (ie betting patterns/position actions).


STOP COPYING WHOLE/LARGE PORTIONS OF BLOGS!!! - Dids

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Let's be realistic here. Everyone is distracted a little when playing online poker. Who only plays online poker? At a bare minimum, I am watching tv, surfing the internet, eating. That excuse is lame.

And he played so bad on HSP that you could go to medium stakes and pick 8 names and random and they would be huge favorites over DN in NL holdem.

Daniel seems to think he played okay on that show, or at least wasn't on full blown tilt the entire time, and if he thinks that, he has no chance to beat real NL holdem games.

I haven't seen him play other games, but the times I have seen him talk about most HORSE games, he seemed to have a good grasp of what was going on, however, I have a doubt that he would revert to playing too loosely and never folding, similarly to NL holdem if things didn't go his way.

And the hilarious thing about tells is that no player gives off more than Daniel (well that might be hyperbole but he is way up at the top of the list). Its either as if he doesn't care and/or is so cocky that he thinks he's unreadable.

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I don't agree with him much about other things, but I agree with everything he wrote in that blog piece. I played live quite a bit before I tried on-line, and I see all of that same stuff in my on-line play.

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yes he is awful and that is the reason he plays the highest stakes in the world against the best players in the world and does not get killed unlike the other 99% of poker pros would...

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Also they don't play enough hands in HSP to truly judge how good a player is.

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So, a tournament winning, high-limit playing fellow who worked his way up from the $1-2 limit tables 10 years ago admits that he sucks at online play, and gives reasons why,and you still find reasons to rip him/

Get a life.

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yes he is awful and that is the reason he plays the highest stakes in the world against the best players in the world and does not get killed unlike the other 99% of poker pros would...

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Didn't he lose so much he was 'cash poor'?
I'd say he got killed. Anyway, grinding up that high was way easier pre moneymaker, especially with donkament wins to padd an ascension.

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yes he is awful and that is the reason he plays the highest stakes in the world against the best players in the world and does not get killed unlike the other 99% of poker pros would...

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Didn't he lose so much he was 'cash poor'?
I'd say he got killed. Anyway, grinding up that high was way easier pre moneymaker, especially with donkament wins to padd an ascension.

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YOU WRONG, BOY!

the sick wave of poker popularity POST-moneymaker made for the quickest moving up in limits. playing online was also available then, which allowed for a player to get in more hands and learn more quicker.

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Didnt he sink most of his roll at the big game then quit it to take up (losing at) professional golf hustling?

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Whether he won or lost is inconsequential, calling off 1/4 of your stack against a reraise from a guy that played one hand all show hoping you flop a set is poker 101 donking, or playing 2s5s against expert players out of position over and over again.

And one last rant, his idea of trying to put someone on a hand and then calling off all your chips when you can't figure it out, is so logically flawed it's laughable especially when he is so quick to discount hands with logic like "wouldn't have slowplayed xx, or would play xx preflop, or wouldn't call xx on the flop etc."

I'm not sure where that came into vogue, but it's such a wrong idea that he would be better off just asking "is this player bluffing here or not," and acting on that without any hand reading at all. How many times does he have to be shown some oddly played nut hand before he stops his poker 101 hand reading ritual?

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.....you're such a [censored] moron.

answer this. "i believe DN is a (winner / loser) in the big games"

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I can't believe how much you guys hate on him. There is like 10 threads in this forum about how DN is the worst poker player in the world and everything

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he's an admitted loser in the big game.

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DN's got a great tournament record, is +EV in the biggest cash games, and quite likely has more money i his Bellagio box than all the people criticizing him in this thread have ever seen in their combined lives.

Is his play perfect? No. Is he unusually public in admitting that and talking about it? Yes. Has he had personal problems that affected his play? Yup. Is he better than you at every commonly played form of poker? Yup.

Carry on, folks.

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he's an admitted loser in the big game.

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I'm pretty sure this isn't true. DN at least claims to be a lifetime winner in the big game, even after losing >$1 million in his last session.

I love how so many people on this board draw conclusions about Daniel's skills as a poker player based on two days of play on HSP, instead of the ~100 days of tournament poker he plays every year. Because clearly no world-class player could ever lose two days in a row.

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my comment is the one that started this in the other thread.

In my opinion DN's small ball approach in tournaments is ok, but when he applies it to cash games he gets owned.

IMO he plays loose and passive in NL cash games from what I heave seen online and live.

At least Sammy and Eli are loose and AGGRESSIVE. DN checks, calls down to much, and gives his opponents GREAT odds with small useless "information" bets.

This has nothing to do with the Big Game thats mostly all limit games. I am talking about his fundemental approach to no limit holdem cash games. And if you look at his records for no limit cash games there not that great.

Not saying he isnt a good tournament player or poker player in general, his tournament record is fantastic but like Phil H. he gets owned in cash games.

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.....you're such a [censored] moron.

answer this. "i believe DN is a (winner / loser) in the big games"

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Did you just call J_V a moron? If so, then lol

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he's an admitted loser in the big game.

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No and if u go and check his website he gives his cash game results.

I think he has used a lot of his br for other investments and so he didnt have a lot of cash on hand...Do you really think that 1 million is a significant portion of his br? He already said that being cash poor for him is different than the average person and i assume he probably could get to the money taht he has invested but that it wasnt liquid atm

edit: I do think though that there are flaws in his game that are easier exploited online then live when he can see somebody face to face as opposed to when hes online tryin to pick up tells. I think it was sbrugby that said poker is almost all math and i think thats somethign DN has taken for granted live b/c his hand reading ability was so good.

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If anything, it seems Daniel's biggest fault is his ego, that is in allowing himself to be put in gambling situations that are -EV for him. It seems that except for (maybe) Benyamine, Ivey, Antonius every other gambler/poker player has games he is better at and games he is worse at, and smartly chooses to not risk large portions of their bankroll at the latter.

Unlike other big name pros, Daniel is very open with his willingness to put himself in obviously -EV situations (i.e. getting hustled at golf, playing online shorthanded LHE against specialists).

Based on the way he writes and thinks about poker, it seems he has a very good understanding of the game and very good pure poker skills, but because of his ego, possible tilt, and his gambool he puts himself in -EV situations, as is evidenced in HSP.

If anything, you could probably argue Daniel's pure poker skills are his saving grace, as he seems to have other tendencies that make most excellent poker players perpetually broke and unsuccessful.

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Not saying he isnt a good tournament player or poker player in general, his tournament record is fantastic but like Phil H. he gets owned in cash games.

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That's pretty strange criticism considering that he's made money long term at 1k/2k, 2k/4k and 4k/8k limit.

How have you been doing in the big game lately?

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I have it on good authority that he is NOT a long-term winner in the big game despite what he might have said.

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Not saying he isnt a good tournament player or poker player in general, his tournament record is fantastic but like Phil H. he gets owned in cash games.



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That's pretty strange criticism considering that he's made money long term at 1k/2k, 2k/4k and 4k/8k limit.

How have you been doing in the big game lately?



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Sigh, do you even know how to read a post. I admitted he was a good limit player and played most of the games well.

I am talking about NO LIMIT HOLDEM CASH GAMES. if they play holdem in the big game its either limit or NL with a 100k cap AKA bingo.

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I have it on good authority that he is NOT a long-term winner in the big game despite what he might have said.

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That's nice. I have it on anonymous authority that you like to dress up in women's clothes and play craps at Circus Circus. I suspect my anonymous authority is about as accurate as yours.

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Hey, this is NVG. I think he sux. What does another poster's bb/100 have to do with it? If you think he's good/bad, explain why don't attack with comments like "he's better than you, that's all that matters" cause, again, this is NVG.

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i think in a thread discussing the rift between DN and raymer, DN admitted he was not a winner in the 4/8 game, but that he was positive in, i think, every other type of game...

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Not saying he isnt a good tournament player or poker player in general, his tournament record is fantastic but like Phil H. he gets owned in cash games.

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That's pretty strange criticism considering that he's made money long term at 1k/2k, 2k/4k and 4k/8k limit.

How have you been doing in the big game lately?

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For the sake of your own argument, let's say that DN was getting slaughtered in the Big Game. Would Mcot's results bear any consequence? This is the weakest come back ever.

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Is there really a point to making these DN Hater threads???

Or is the point you just want him to come on here and get into it w/ you?

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No, I just think he's a racist and bad NLHE player who has more money than me (at the moment). Do I need better reasons to hate on him in NVG?

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I have it on good authority that he is NOT a long-term winner in the big game despite what he might have said.

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That's nice. I have it on anonymous authority that you like to dress up in women's clothes and play craps at Circus Circus. I suspect my anonymous authority is about as accurate as yours.

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No offense, but when a long-time poster credits an anonymous source, it usually has some credibility.

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That's pretty strange criticism considering that he's made money long term at 1k/2k, 2k/4k and 4k/8k limit.

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really?

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yes he is awful and that is the reason he plays the highest stakes in the world against the best players in the world and does not get killed unlike the other 99% of poker pros would...

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Didn't he lose so much he was 'cash poor'?
I'd say he got killed. Anyway, grinding up that high was way easier pre moneymaker, especially with donkament wins to padd an ascension.

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He was cash poor due to investments, not cash games. He also said that his idea of "cash poor" is probably vastly different than most.

His hand-reading skills are phenomenal, but he lacks in other areas imo.

He makes terrible investments though (Mt Poker, Stacked, etc).

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His ''stats'' on the big game are NOT accurate. Most players in the big game have already said this. Barry G. called DN out on this as well. Mentioning that he keeps inacurate stats, if DN has a bad session he doesnt even post that he played. I was in vegas last year. Stoped by the Bellagio to be a Fanboy and just see the ''Big Game'' DN was playing with Eli, Doyle, Jen, David B and chip. I watched 2 minutes or so and left. I remember making a note to check FCP when I got home just to see how he did in the session. I never read the site but know that he keeps logs. I was interested, to this day its not posted. He has since posted winning sessions.

Please stop saying he is +EV in the game, Raymer even called him out recently. Saying he would rather beat a 400-800 game than loose in the 4K-8K just to look cool.

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Daniel has lost money online and is up in the Big Game all-time, but the sample sizes for both are ridiculously small (especially for the Big Game, where playing every day for a month still tells you nothing).


You're definitely seeing players who worked on their game online and have moved to the live world really start to dominate the highest stakes (eg Antonius, Benyamine, Booth).

Much of the old guard won't be willing to play against these guys eventually.

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This seems like a pretty standard thread for 2+2. What a great forum this would be if people would just be nice. Orlando, well, I don't even know where you come up with this stuff. DN is a really good guy and has probably won more money playing poker than everyone who will respond to your stupid thread combined and probably way more.

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Saying DN "sucks" at any form of poker is just a retarded statement. Claiming he can't play poker because he wouldn't be favored against Ivey or Antonius in a certain form is stupid. Michael Jordan wasn't the best 3 point shooter when he played, does that make him less of a great player because he wasn't the undeniable best at all aspects? Seriously, all the DN hating on here is just lame.

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This seems like a pretty standard thread for 2+2. What a great forum this would be if people would just be nice. Orlando, well, I don't even know where you come up with this stuff. DN is a really good guy and has probably won more money playing poker than everyone who will respond to your stupid thread combined and probably way more.

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Here is hoping that ABA posts

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This IS a great forum. Not because people are nice, but because they are candid, opinionated, THINKERS. Have you ever met DN? I believe you mean he SEEMS like a good guy. Howevever, isn't he a christian? No "good" person can HONESTLY understand Christianity and practice/preach it.

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What makes this post better is that the OP loves to talk trash about other players poker skills, but from my stats is a losing player at .5/1 NL and 1/2 NL. Also nice BBV challenge match the other day lol.

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No offense, but when a long-time poster credits an anonymous source, it usually has some credibility.

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So you think KSOT really DOES go on colossal craps benders while wearing a red sequined dress and hose? Because I had more or less written it off as gossip, but if you think it's credible...

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Saying DN "sucks" at any form of poker is just a retarded statement. Claiming he can't play poker because he wouldn't be favored against Ivey or Antonius in a certain form is stupid. Michael Jordan wasn't the best 3 point shooter when he played, does that make him less of a great player because he wasn't the undeniable best at all aspects? Seriously, all the DN hating on here is just lame.

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That's a pretty poor comparison. You're talking about one aspect of basketball that isn't even a necessary skill for everyone.

On the other hand, most people here believe that players many players like Antonius and Ivey would have a large edge over DN regardless of whether the game is Hold em or Omaha, NL or limit, 6 handed or 3 handed, online or live.