AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Villain was running about 27/19/2 over 300ish hands and may think I like to bluff. I had 3b him a couple orbits earlier w/ QTs and cbet a flop of J 8 3 rainbow, he called flop w/ AQ and we checked turn and river.

I am running about 22/17/3 over 80ish hands at this point.

How should I proceed on this turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $150.55
UTG+1: $39.50
CO: $98
Button: $177.30
SB: $99
Hero: $104.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $13</font>, Button calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($26.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $21</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($68.5, 2 players)
Hero has $70 left

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

I would push....

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Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

I agree with the others...definite push.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Push screams FD. If villain got the Qc10c you are 2.9 to 1 underdog. Villain get 2 to 1 on his money and get 1.5 to 1 on the money so he would call (if he have AcQc its even worse) . Its a tricky situation. I would probably push...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

44 games 0.005 secs 8,800 games/sec

Board: 9c 6d Qd 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.273% 27.27% 00.00% 12 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 72.727% 72.73% 00.00% 32 0.00 { AcQc }


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44 games 0.016 secs 2,750 games/sec

Board: 9c 6d Qd 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.091% 34.09% 00.00% 15 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 65.909% 65.91% 00.00% 29 0.00 { QcTc }

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

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Push screams FD.

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or KK or AA or QQ or basically any hand hero makes it to the turn with that isnt air.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

i actually think that pushing only folds out a small part of his range, specifically JJ.

checking and hoping he checks behind may be the correct play here, but im not disciplined enough to fold this hand if he bets so i jsut push

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

What about looking to c/r allin on flop btw? Stacks seem pretty good for it, we got outs to hit if called and it's not a disaster if he checks behind?

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Push. Because of your earlier raising patterns, you left yourself no other choice.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

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Push screams FD.

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Push screams AA/KK/AdKd/QQ. Villain knows Theres only one way to AdKd and 3ways to QQ. 6 ways to AA and 6 ways to KK(ofcourse it depends what villain has). Villain
only calls that push with AA or better.

allways push turn

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

theres 68 in the pot...hero has 70 left...that doesnt scream fd...that screams strength

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

What about betting only $50 on turn?
If he folds for $70 probably he will folds for $50 too.
If he calls, and I miss the river i save $20 with c/f.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

push, not betting all in here looks fishy

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

C/F

Villain's range here is sets, AA, KK, AQ, JJ, J10s

Pushing folds out only JJ.

I think c/f is pretty clear here.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Interesting. I talked with a fellow 2p2er yesterday about this hand and he felt like pushing was a spew, and I ended up agreeing with him. We felt like villain isn't folding anything decent here b/c of the hand I mentioned where I 3b PF and cbet flop w/ Q high.

I did push and he called w/ AQ. I wasn't surprised at his call though considering our one hand of history. AdKd is the worst hand I push with here and 90% of the time I have him crushed...I guess he just felt like I sucked lol.

No diamond on the riv.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

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C/F

Villain's range here is sets, AA, KK, AQ, JJ, J10s

Pushing folds out only JJ.

I think c/f is pretty clear here.

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you're the only one saying this sir. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I do believe his range is a little bit bigger than what you're giving him. I think we can add in FD, KQ, maybe QJs.

Don't you also think he will fold top pair enough for this to be +EV?

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Nope.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

if he is willing to call with AQ here, take adv of that next time. your image will be bad enough

nh sir.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

I dunno. I kinda think willw9 is right. I just Stoved the numbers and his calling range of my ai has me crushed, if he will call w/ tp J kicker and higher.

Board: 9c 6d Qd 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.920% 23.92% 00.00% 421 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 76.080% 76.08% 00.00% 1339 0.00 { QQ+, 99, 66, AQs, KQs, QJs, JTs, AQo, KQo }

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

Bitel?

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

i really dont like pushing this because villain is very rarely folding. not many people float flops in reraised pots (at least in ssnl) with hands they arent willing to felt. if he calls flop, hes going broke on any turn blank.

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What about looking to c/r allin on flop btw? Stacks seem pretty good for it, we got outs to hit if called and it's not a disaster if he checks behind?

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I think c/pushing on the flop basically says we have AK. I like a push on the turn

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

*Grunch*

I would push. Although your QT hand was frisky and he's most likely suspicious of you now, you didn't bet the turn in that hand. Plus, he called you with just overs. He's probably calling you pretty lightly on the flop, and you have decent equity against his range. Poooosh. Note that you have some folding equity against pairs lower than the Q.

Re: AK 3b pot OOP, flop fd, wiff turn, how to proceed
 

seriously push