100NL Hand Reading
 

OK so here's my first official post on here. Villain was a 15/4/.87 over 1k hands. He is a 100NL regular but I haven't seen him take this line before.

Put him on a range here and what can i make this river call with?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($108.15)
SB ($77.50)
BB ($129)
UTG ($161.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with X,X.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $12.

Flop: ($35.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($35.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($35.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $144.95 (All-In)</font> Hero has about $91 behind.

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AJ, JJ, AA, KK, KJ.

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This is a boat nearly always

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AJ, JJ, AA, KK, KJ.

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OP is my roommate.

Is this his range or ours? What can we call with if this is villain's range (which i disagree with btw).

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What other hand do you think he is checking 2 streets with in a 3-bet pot then overbet shoving?

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What other hand do you think he is checking 2 streets with in a 3-bet pot then overbet shoving?

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Other hands?!?! LOL none.

But I'm interested in why we include AJ and KJ in his range...

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he has quads or top boat. Your roommate should theoritically be calling with nothing cuz he has neither of these.

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AJ, JJ, AA, KK, KJ.

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This is what I'd call with. I think villain has KK here.

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AJ, JJ, AA, KK, KJ.

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This is what I'd call with. I think villain has KK here.

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look at the board again then

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Only hand we have here than can call is KK

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Only hand we have here than can call is KK

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this is what i thought but what hand does a 15/4 raise UTG and call a 3-bet w/ that KK beats?

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AJ, JJ, AA, KK, KJ.

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This is what I'd call with. I think villain has KK here.

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look at the board again then

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When I say I think villain has KK I'm just saying that it fits his play so far. Not saying that I'd lay down AJ.

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AA, JJ or KK. Tight tag probably folds KJ and AJ preflop. Villain is so passive that I can make a case for each of these hands.

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he has aa, kk or quads.

i think KK is a fold but i wouldnt

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LMAO AT UR AVATAR! HAHA ok so neway, his river shove looks like KJ, AA, or QT. Either way, you cannot call without AA, JJ, AJ, or KK. Could be COMPLETEly stone bluff if he puts u exactly on QQ, but, thats rare someone would make this play with air like that. I rele don't like this post, and I HATE the way you played it. You don't bet on flop OR turn after you reraise prelfop and checked two, in position!? This is abysmal- at least bet ONE STREET for about $27 dammit!

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LMAO AT UR AVATAR! HAHA ok so neway, his river shove looks like KJ, AA, or QT. Either way, you cannot call without AA, JJ, AJ, or KK. Could be COMPLETEly stone bluff if he puts u exactly on QQ, but, thats rare someone would make this play with air like that. I rele don't like this post, and I HATE the way you played it. You don't bet on flop OR turn after you reraise prelfop and checked two, in position!? This is abysmal- at least bet ONE STREET for about $27 dammit!

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you have no clue what you're talking about. you don't even know what hero has FFS! Also, KJ? QT? are you seriously telling me that a 15/4 over &gt;1k hands is raising either of those hands UTG? Even if he is, he isnt calling a 3-bet with them. I completely agree with whoever above that said KK is a fold but i would also never make it in game.

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LMAO AT UR AVATAR! HAHA ok so neway, his river shove looks like KJ, AA, or QT. Either way, you cannot call without AA, JJ, AJ, or KK. Could be COMPLETEly stone bluff if he puts u exactly on QQ, but, thats rare someone would make this play with air like that. I rele don't like this post, and I HATE the way you played it. You don't bet on flop OR turn after you reraise prelfop and checked two, in position!? This is abysmal- at least bet ONE STREET for about $27 dammit!

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I legitimately laughed out loud at this post.

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I was too lazy to take out of my post KJ that I'd call with but I can't edit it now. I may only call with AA JJ or KK. But I'd probably call with AJ too as that takes away JJ and AA is much less likely but he probably has KK there.

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Imrahil, he only has AA,JJ,KK in this spot.

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I think JJ is most likely for Villian. KK the other posibility. AA maybe, but I dont see it.

I'd probably call KJ+ but I wouldnt be to shocked if I lost honestly.

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Imrahil, he only has AA,JJ,KK in this spot.

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So you mean you don't call with AJ ok.

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Only if he has JJ.

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his range is almost only JJ/KK/AA. I would like to say that i think KK is by far the most likely, but I'm not really too sure about that.

But w/e, I think calling with AA/JJ and thats it is what should be done. In reality, folding KK here is a bitch

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OP is my roommate.



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That's funny, because he uses your old 2p2 avatar as his icon. Thought maybe it was you.

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OP is my roommate.



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That's funny, because he uses your old 2p2 avatar as his icon. Thought maybe it was you.

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HEHE Pasterbator grinding 100NL. holla. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Is a villian as tight as this overbetting a river like that? I am not saying anyone is wrong here, I am just curious as to how come he can never call with AJ and KJ preflop cause he is an uber tight cautious player, but he will overbet the river like woah.

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It would be more fun if you posted your own stats but your KK does not beat his AA here.

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Is a villian as tight as this overbetting a river like that? I am not saying anyone is wrong here, I am just curious as to how come he can never call with AJ and KJ preflop cause he is an uber tight cautious player, but he will overbet the river like woah.

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Because he wants a worse hand to call. On second thinking hero may have the AA here, and was giving free cards. Villain thinks his KK boat is the nuts, but only possible holdings for villain is AA/KK. Over 1k hands and 4% VPR stats he may not even be raising JJ.

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I just would think a cautious player would take a different approach to getting money, like VB, not trying to sell a bluff.

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I just would think a cautious player would take a different approach to getting money, like VB, not trying to sell a bluff.

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well he doesn't need to be caustious w/ a monster hand.

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I agree that his approach doesnt need to be cautious but overbetting a bunch seems more maniac then conservative personalities like to be.