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nevereverwin 02-19-2007 07:37 AM

QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
No real reads. On river I bet out to get to cheep showdown vs. some stupid hand and get raised AI then i thoght I cant beet anything..so folded.. Too weak?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50./$1.
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $98.40
Button: $98.40
SB: $146.30
BB: $67.70

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($25.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $14</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($53.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $72.4</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $52.4 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $93.5

josh_x 02-19-2007 08:07 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
i don't really like that river line, there are plently of opponents out their doing stupid things on 3 of a kind boards, so getting to showdown should be a priority. I would bet 40 and begrudgingly call a push.

GoldenIP 02-19-2007 09:24 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
yeah i think you have to call this but something tells me he's showing you quads here or JJ/TT.

GemeniSWE 02-19-2007 09:32 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

As played I call river, you are getting almost 3 to 1 here.

Praetor 02-19-2007 09:36 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
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Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

As played I call river, you are getting almost 3 to 1 here.

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this advice sucks

HoldEmNewby 02-19-2007 11:47 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
hand is fine with exception of river. I would prefer to check to induce a bluff here.

GemeniSWE 02-19-2007 11:59 AM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

As played I call river, you are getting almost 3 to 1 here.

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this advice sucks

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ehh, ok genius. Would Mr P like to elaborate why this sucks? Please

Perk76 02-19-2007 12:11 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

As played I call river, you are getting almost 3 to 1 here.

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this advice sucks

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ehh, ok genius. Would Mr P like to elaborate why this sucks? Please

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So your stating that you sack off to KK/AA 100% of the time in this situation which is what your doing repoping to $40 preflop since you are committing 40% of stack at this point. This also is letting worse hands fold out at this point of the hand. Button can be reraising light or strong here. Call and play the hand out.


I liked the OP's line with the exception of the river. I like a check/call. Villan will show up with JJ/1010/QQ/ alot of the time, KK seems logical with Ace on board on flop, and even quads.

MrMysterious 02-19-2007 12:17 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
[ QUOTE ]
Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

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if you lead for 1/2 on flop your gonna effectively be all in anyways. i agree with other guy,

Call pf, and i personally cr any flop that doesn't have an A or K, but i guess that means im still stacking off to AA or KK way too much.

GemeniSWE 02-19-2007 02:56 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Re pop pre flop. Make it $40. You are OOP and I think its the best play pre flop.

If called I think you have to bet flop to define, make it 1/2 pot.

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if you lead for 1/2 on flop your gonna effectively be all in anyways. i agree with other guy,



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Good poin, I was missing it was $100, sorry.

ciki57 02-19-2007 03:03 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
I think you will see JJ,TT,99,88 or even 7x a lot so with odds like that this is an easy call i think.

poisonxfree 02-19-2007 03:38 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
I like a c/c on the river. He'll bet most hands he'll call you with here, and probably some extra bluffs. You'll see KK and quads a reasonable amount though.

Dan Bitel 02-19-2007 03:50 PM

Re: QQ river fold in rr pot.. gf? 100NL 6max
 
I really like your line here, and I think c/c river is pretty bad.


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