200 NL- Out of Position
 

No reads except that Villain is 18/14 over 1700 hands. I feel like this is a fold or push situation, but I'm not really sure. What do you guys do?

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (SB): $792.1
BB: $198
UTG: $259.65
MP: $211.20
CO: $204.40
BTN: $34

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $16

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($48, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $39</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $78</font>, Hero.....?

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

fold

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

don't reraise this preflop against this villian. Flat. As played, check flop and call probably. Maybe c/f turn. As REALLY played, easy easy fold

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

ez fold

is it standard to 3bet preflop in this spot?

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

nice stack. Definitely looks like a fold to me

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

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ez fold

is it standard to 3bet preflop in this spot?

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I'm not sure about this either. I've been playing full ring for the last 4 years, and this was my first shot at the 6-max. This is a pretty standard call in full ring against an utg raiser, but I thought 10 10 were likely ahead of his range here.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

What if you have QQ/KK/AA instead of TT here? Is a push correct given the draws on the flop, or do you still fold?

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

kk and aa is an insta call. qq is close. An 18/14 range is pretty limited utg. He folds out worse and calls with better with the rr.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

carrotsnake, you're really just calling this out of the blinds v an 18/14 UTG raise? And as played you're c/c-ing? I can see that logic, at least.

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What if you have QQ/KK/AA instead of TT here? Is a push correct given the draws on the flop, or do you still fold?

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AA and KK are not being folded on the flop. I would probably call the flop raise and CRAI a safe turn.

QQ i would probably call the flop and then see what he does on the turn. If he continues to bet hard then i would probably release. I think its fairly standard for a vanilla TAG to "slowplay" AA and KK preflop and then play it out like this.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

Easyest fold ever. And stupidest pf oop 3-bet ever.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

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Easyest fold ever. And stupidest pf oop 3-bet ever.

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this depends how positionally aware the villain is, and what hero's image is. Theres certainly nothing wrong with it.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

Against that guy u should just flat call preflop and hope for set

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

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u should just flat call preflop and hope for set

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theres a forum for your type

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u should just flat call preflop and hope for set

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theres a forum for your type

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LOL

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And stupidest pf oop 3-bet ever.

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Wrong in so many ways!

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

carnivalhobo, is my type the: "only few posts, he cant play -type?

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carnivalhobo, is my type the: "only few posts, he cant play -type?

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I think he means this.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

to be honest with u, i only play short tables and i 3-bet more than enyone else

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

problem with 3-betting marginal-hands out of position is, that u allways have problems @ postflop. specially after villain calls your cbet.

Ofcourse u cant only 3-bet monsters oop, thats too obvious. u have to mix it up sometimes, but like i said thats not solid 3-bet oop against that player.

Re: 200 NL- Out of Position
 

3betting this pf sucks.