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Bonesy 02-16-2007 09:39 AM

25NL KK vs a tightie
 
Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10./$0.25.
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.06
CO: $41.45
Button: $18.99
SB: $8.77
Hero: $24.99

Villain is pretty straightforward. 26/14/1.8. I'm sure he looks at me in a similar way if he is paying attention. We have played quite a bit at the same tables. Comments on any street please.

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.85</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.65</font>, Button calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($5.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($13.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $4.5</font>, Hero???

VPIP100 02-16-2007 09:49 AM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
call

Maple Leafs 02-16-2007 11:41 AM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
Call.

If I'm villian I think there's a decent chance you have very little and that the turn bet was you taking a single shot at the pot with a scary board and then giving up.

He could have an A but you're getting something like 4-1 and that's plenty. A re-raise doesn't fold anything you're behind and probably doesn't get paid off by much that you're beating. I think you see a pocket pair or even a strong T here fairly often.

DrRock 02-16-2007 12:09 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
How do people feel about checking the turn as well?

Maneh 02-16-2007 01:10 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
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How do people feel about checking the turn as well?

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I dont like it.

Btw, I lead the flop too

DerrtySlime 02-16-2007 01:35 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
wtf call

DrRock 02-16-2007 02:01 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
is this the best line?

Kramer 02-16-2007 04:43 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
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How do people feel about checking the turn as well?

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I dont like it.

Btw, I lead the flop too

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Why would you lead flop?

Vyse 02-16-2007 05:34 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
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How do people feel about checking the turn as well?

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I dont like it.

Btw, I lead the flop too

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Why would you lead flop?

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Why not?

Kramer 02-16-2007 05:43 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
Read what ama and winalot wrote in this thread:
LINK
I think it covers this spot very well.

bohus04 02-16-2007 07:16 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
I think you have to call river. He might be betting with many hands you beat and odds are too good.

Zagga 02-16-2007 08:12 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
Bet the flop, would give you more information.

It is better to see two aces then one on the flop if you hold kings. Either way if your opponent holds an ace your down to two outs (trips kings vs pair aces or kings over aces vs trips aces) but now there is less change he has hit something.

River is a call

Unknown Soldier 02-16-2007 08:23 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
the only reason to bet this flop would be to stop villain bluffing you out of this, that's it. But since he's tight I can't see him doing it.

As for information, if villain bets reasonably big, that's all the info we need, he probably has an A.

Hank Scorpio 02-16-2007 10:18 PM

Re: 25NL KK vs a tightie
 
[ QUOTE ]
Read what ama and winalot wrote in this thread:
LINK
I think it covers this spot very well.

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You lead here becuase you're OOP. Against a villian with half a brain, if you check this I know right away that you have KK, QQ, or JJ. You're losing complete control of the pot by checking this. If you're in position no problem with a check since you're probably going to get marginal hands to call on the turn. OOP, though, you have to call down in a very uncomfortable spot.


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