$25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.15
UTG+1: $24.45
MP1: $13.70
MP2: $19.45
MP3: $30.50
Hero: $21
Button: $27.65
SB: $21
BB: $21.05

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $0.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.1, 3 players)
MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $4</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($16.1, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">MP1 is all-in $8.45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>

No great read on villian. He's 32/9 after about 30 hands. I have not seen him push anything in this session.

I don't think the pf raise is enough. Bet more on flop? What about the call there? On the turn it feels like we're beat, can you find a fold here or is this an insta-call getting 3-1 at this level?

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Raise to $1.75 preflop, $3-3.50 on flop, as played call the turn. The only hands you're losing to are 8x and 66, and he's shortstacked.

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I just put him in on the flop. 99-KK are in his range as well as other holdings you are ahead of. If he has trips, so be it.

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kekedarius has already told you that you're bet sizes are a bit messed up. You definetly have to protect your hand better on the flop. We're going broke on the flop here almost all of the time without a very strong read. Rr the flop even if you think he has nothing. A lot of turn cards can kill the action for you and make you vulnerable to bluffs.

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Raise to $1.75 preflop, $3-3.50 on flop, as played call the turn.

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Pre-flop: Are there any hands that call my $1.25 raise but fold to $1.75? Or are we simply trying to build a bigger pot with AA?

Flop: If he re-raises are we pushing?

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Getting close to 3-1 odds, call this all day long. Villain has to felt any overpair.

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Raise to $1.75 preflop, $3-3.50 on flop, as played call the turn.

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Pre-flop: Are there any hands that call my $1.25 raise but fold to $1.75? Or are we simply trying to build a bigger pot with AA?

Flop: If he re-raises are we pushing?

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Your raise ( to 1.75) is for protection/value.

I don't really understand your second quastion.
Action should howver be like this if raised: Hero bets, Villain raises, Hero shoves.

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Your raise ( to 1.75) is for protection/value.


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I'm not sure I understand the concept of protection. I see the value part, but what does the bigger raise protect me from?

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From anyone outdrawing you.
The raise is a combination of both concepts.
Either you get more value and therefor exploit their wrong call further, or you take the pot down, and thereby can't be outdrawn.
It's basically the same as when you bet your madehands on the flop against draws. You would consider this protection, although it's clearly for value when the guy with the draw calls ( assuming 8 or 9 outs )

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The protection part is that you do not want to give bullet cracking odds to players still left to act.

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the minraise on the flop and donk all in on the turn look like such a bluff, why would a fish play 888 like that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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the minraise on the flop and donk all in on the turn look like such a bluff, why would a fish play 888 like that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.

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Getting close to 3-1 odds, call this all day long. Villain has to felt any overpair.

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Raise to $1.75 preflop, $3-3.50 on flop,

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I think I'd just push this flop after his raise. He probably puts you on missed high cards like AK/AQs and thinks he can bully you. Given his stats, I think an 8 is unlikely, and he could very well have TT-QQ maybe even KK. As played, I call the turn push, you've got to be at least 3-1 here.

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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.

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Yep. And not just min-raising, but min-check-raising. That usually screams trouble at these levels, no?

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I would definately put him all-in on the flop...

Minraise preflop can also mean KK or AA, I would put him on KK and raise him all-in on the flop. If he has A8s, so be it...

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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.

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Yep. And not just min-raising, but min-check-raising. That usually screams trouble at these levels, no?

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It means either villain thinks he has a big hand (75+% of the time) or he thinks he can price his draw in this way.

I used to joke that the best way to scare a 2+2er was to min-raise or min-check raise the turn.

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It means either villain thinks he has a big hand (75+% of the time) or he thinks he can price his draw in this way.

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In my limited experience, it's almost always a big hand. I don't see a lot of guys at this level who are thinking about pricing in draws.

Of course, what complicates this hand is that villians could very well think they have a monster and still be behind us.