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Since that's my style anyway:

I contend that, UPenn and Duke poker pros are the best young players in the world, and people like you are going to pay us to take your money at the tables.

Discuss... honestly, I will back my points of emphasis up, so you should make convincing arguments if you agree or disagree.

luv,
the J.J. Redick of Poker

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Perhaps UPenn and Duke should concentrate on producing graduates that know the difference between "might as well" and "minus well".

Edit:

Your first post isn't controversial. In fact, it barely manages to attain the level of completely worthless and inane.

BTW, what's with this BS that the poll doesn't start right away.

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you left out mit [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Perhaps your poker is grand, but your reading comprehension and internet use capabilities leave a lot to be desired.

Someone please move this crap to NVG.


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Move to OOT! I love that you can for some reason choose "many"!!1...?

Best first post eva.

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'Minus well'.....wow that is priceless; especially given the nature of this post. The best young players i've encountered are the ones who never went to college or dropped out, btw.
-J-house

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WAKE FOREST > DUKE


GO DEACS!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I think UofI probably has the best. They've got all the cardrunners and I'm pretty sure bugstud went there too.

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Your logic is flawed, as for the truly genius world shakers of Yale and Harvard, poker is -ev and a waste of their time.
The smart ones (most all of them) recognize this quickly. While they surely have the potential to be the best players, to invest the time and effort to do so would almost surely be -EV. So why would Harvard students make -EV decisions? Maybe slight gambling prob, in which case their potential drops down a bit.

The truly great players should come from working/middle class backgrounds and public universities: Players with high IQ's, but with no lucrative connections/daddy's company they're passing on running after college to play poker.

Basically, for brilliant harvard guys, you're wasting your time with a -ev game like poker. Get your degree, become Senators, make millions on wall street etc

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Since this thread has been up for hours and hasn't been moved yet, I'll comment...

Penn -- Joe Paterno suks.

Duke -- One of these schools is not like the others. One of these schools does not belong...

Harvard -- Too busy fighting among themselves. All the faculty are leaving. This school will be nothing soon.

Yale -- Wishes they were Harvard.

Princeton -- Eating clubs are the most exciting thing they got going.

Virginia -- Where is UVa located exactly? Are we sure it really exists?

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I'm not moving this thread, just so I can be reminded which 2+2 posters are morons.

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I'm not moving this thread, just so I can be reminded which 2+2 posters are morons.

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Sweet!

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Joepa pwns you...Penn <> Penn State

We are...

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We are...

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You are what?

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UMD WITHOUT A DOUBT-Me, Steve Hudak, Daniel Horrowitz. See Steves high finishes in tournaments, the fact that people like chau say he is the second coming, Danny is one of the top 5 omaha8/b players, and I am regular high limit holdem player.

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ive actually played with a lot of people who go to duke, none of them are pros though, we just play 1/2 NL, but most of them suck

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UMD, or UMN (the U)

Barron

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or UMN (the U)

Barron

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Minnesota rocks.

PS, I hear all the MN guys who went out to LA for the LAPC are kicking ass in the cash games.

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. UPenn and Penn State aren't the same school.

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you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. UPenn and Penn State aren't the same school.

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No I'm pretty sure about this.

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Your logic is flawed, as for the truly genius world shakers of Yale and Harvard, poker is -ev and a waste of their time.
The smart ones (most all of them) recognize this quickly. While they surely have the potential to be the best players, to invest the time and effort to do so would almost surely be -EV. So why would Harvard students make -EV decisions? Maybe slight gambling prob, in which case their potential drops down a bit.

The truly great players should come from working/middle class backgrounds and public universities: Players with high IQ's, but with no lucrative connections/daddy's company they're passing on running after college to play poker.

Basically, for brilliant harvard guys, you're wasting your time with a -ev game like poker. Get your degree, become Senators, make millions on wall street etc

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I think you got your idea of the Ivy League out of a comic book or something. Ivy Leaguers ARE middle class. And they don't see poker as -EV compared to the working world whatsoever. I graduated from an Ivy. Did the I-banking thing for a while (internships) then management consulting after college. Poker is waaaaaay more lucrative. Thanks to poker I'm making as much as the Ivy grads with 12-14 years of consulting experience under their belts. All my Ivy buddies resent their desk-jockey lives immensely, and hope to emulate my entrepreneurial success themselves in some measure.

Can you be a senator or a Wall Street millionaire when you're 20-something? You have to put in a lifetime of effort into either, and even then it's far from a guarantee that you'll be successful all the way up. The typical Ivy grad who becomes a full-time employee and puts in 20 years of 60 hour workweeks ends up with a random/obscure management job in a Fortune 500 company making 300k a year, running the "development objectives" module of the "integrated initiatives" project or whatever... and that guy runs out his clock living a life of quiet desperation and complete obscurity, until retiring to FLA to watch TV all day.

My former colleagues at my places of employment, all of whom are educated at Ivy or equivalent schools, see my poker opportunity as something they would kill to be able to have... even the guys who are in their 30s with MBAs. Nobody wants to grind out 60 hours a week on utterly meaningless and passionless work, year in and year out, never getting much closer to achieving financial freedom.

SUNY Brockport . . .
 

and it ain't close.

TSP

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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Wtf you go to Stanford?

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Its Washington University in St. Louis, and its not even close.

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Oxford!

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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Wtf you go to Stanford?

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Yeah, and I'm really curious as to who the 50/100 NL pro is around here.

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My former colleagues at my places of employment, all of whom are educated at Ivy or equivalent schools, see my poker opportunity as something they would kill to be able to have... even the guys who are in their 30s with MBAs. Nobody wants to grind out 60 hours a week on utterly meaningless and passionless work, year in and year out, never getting much closer to achieving financial freedom.

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What is financial freedom?

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Other than Richard Nixon, what controversal things ever came out of waspy-rich Duke (other than having the gall to post in the wrong forum [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img])?

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PS, I hear all the MN guys who went out to LA for the LAPC are kicking ass in the cash games.

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Kicking ass in the cash games at the Commerce in and of itself does not prove excellence in poker. Heck even I can do that.

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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Wtf you go to Stanford?

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Yeah, and I'm really curious as to who the 50/100 NL pro is around here.

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He's a grad student if there's only one.

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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Wtf you go to Stanford?

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Yeah, and I'm really curious as to who the 50/100 NL pro is around here.

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He's a grad student if there's only one.

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The one I'm talking about is the same sophomore like me. There may be a grad student as well. I'd like to meet both of them either way.

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Can you be a senator or a Wall Street millionaire when you're 20-something?

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One is illegal and the other is possible.

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Stanford, and it's not close.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure there's a 50/100 NL Pro that goes here too.

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Wtf you go to Stanford?

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Yeah, and I'm really curious as to who the 50/100 NL pro is around here.

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He's a grad student if there's only one.

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The one I'm talking about is the same sophomore like me. There may be a grad student as well. I'd like to meet both of them either way.

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It's important for me to point out who has The Axe.

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I've never been more proud to be a Duke alum. Keep up the good work!

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i cant stop laughing at "minus well"

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I think it's clear which school is actually better at sports. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. UPenn and Penn State aren't the same school.

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No I'm pretty sure about this.

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This is gold. Pure gold.

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Your logic is flawed, as for the truly genius world shakers of Yale and Harvard, poker is -ev and a waste of their time.
The smart ones (most all of them) recognize this quickly. While they surely have the potential to be the best players, to invest the time and effort to do so would almost surely be -EV. So why would Harvard students make -EV decisions? Maybe slight gambling prob, in which case their potential drops down a bit.

The truly great players should come from working/middle class backgrounds and public universities: Players with high IQ's, but with no lucrative connections/daddy's company they're passing on running after college to play poker.

Basically, for brilliant harvard guys, you're wasting your time with a -ev game like poker. Get your degree, become Senators, make millions on wall street etc

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I think you got your idea of the Ivy League out of a comic book or something. Ivy Leaguers ARE middle class. And they don't see poker as -EV compared to the working world whatsoever. I graduated from an Ivy. Did the I-banking thing for a while (internships) then management consulting after college. Poker is waaaaaay more lucrative. Thanks to poker I'm making as much as the Ivy grads with 12-14 years of consulting experience under their belts. All my Ivy buddies resent their desk-jockey lives immensely, and hope to emulate my entrepreneurial success themselves in some measure.

Can you be a senator or a Wall Street millionaire when you're 20-something? You have to put in a lifetime of effort into either, and even then it's far from a guarantee that you'll be successful all the way up. The typical Ivy grad who becomes a full-time employee and puts in 20 years of 60 hour workweeks ends up with a random/obscure management job in a Fortune 500 company making 300k a year, running the "development objectives" module of the "integrated initiatives" project or whatever... and that guy runs out his clock living a life of quiet desperation and complete obscurity, until retiring to FLA to watch TV all day.

My former colleagues at my places of employment, all of whom are educated at Ivy or equivalent schools, see my poker opportunity as something they would kill to be able to have... even the guys who are in their 30s with MBAs. Nobody wants to grind out 60 hours a week on utterly meaningless and passionless work, year in and year out, never getting much closer to achieving financial freedom.

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This is very well-said.
Every school has great players; it is fairly hard to gather all the data and reach a conclusion which school produces the best poker players. In fact, it's not the school that produces the best players but the individuals themselves and what they have in them. Btw, David Sklanksy went to Penn, so Penn is #1.