100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

Alright guys...

MP1 IS: 45/22/infin over ~20 hand
MP2 IS: 27/17/1.7

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($109.45)
Button ($112.70)
Hero ($110.65)
BB ($107.30)
UTG ($138.50)
UTG+1 ($89.20)
MP1 ($97.25)
MP2 ($173)
MP3 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $5</font>, MP2 calls $5, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $4.

Flop: ($21) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $16</font>, MP2 calls $16, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $105.65</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $89.65.

Turn: ($248.30) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($248.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $248.30

Do you play this much differently? Or is this mostly standard?

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

I'm a nit, that board is ugly and two players are in with one behind, so I'd call the flop bet. With the Qs hitting on the turn, I'd shut down.

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looks fine

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i probebly lead flop btw.....

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I'm a nit, that board is ugly and two players are in with one behind, so I'd call the flop bet. With the Qs hitting on the turn, I'd shut down.

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seriously why would you ever just call here?

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

It's standard for me if you think that nearly allways somebody will bet after you, otherwise I lead the flop and go for a 3betAI. You are not drawing dead against anything except a higher set. The raising range of the original pfrer is huge so KK/TT are small part of his range, other player should have 3bet him with KK. Some might have limp/call or cold call with TT. In this case nothing to do except get staked.

If Mp1 is able to fold you can 3bet him pf (to something like $22). You should have a lot of FE, in particular if you don't 3bet often preflop. This 3bet is not standard by anyway.

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It's standard for me if you think that nearly allways somebody will bet after you, otherwise I lead the flop and go for a 3betAI. You are not drawing dead against anything except a higher set. The raising range of the original pfrer is huge so KK/TT are small part of his range, other player should have 3bet him with KK. Some might have limp/call or cold call with TT. In this case nothing to do except get staked.

If Mp1 is able to fold you can 3bet him pf (to something like $22). You should have a lot of FE, in particular if you don't 3bet often preflop. This 3bet is not standard by anyway.

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I think we waste the value of our hand by 3-betting preflop here with a caller in between.

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

You played it fine, although on this board I lead out with a pot-sized bet on the flop. The important thing is that you get your money in the middle on the flop where you most likely have the best hand. On this board there are so many scare cards that can come on the turn and river that your decisions will only get more difficult, and you are in bad position for the entirety of the hand. You hit your set, get your money in.

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

For a little insight;

I checked because of the agressiveness of the players behind me...I don't know if that makes it a better play or not, though.

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I like leading the flop in spite of the agression behind. As played, the CR AI is good. Get it in there while you are likely ahead.

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seriously why would you ever just call here?

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I would have bet the flop. As played, I would just call here because I now doubt I have the best hand, but I can improve and I might get more info on the turn. I'd shut down on the Qs.

Is everyone getting it all-in here no matter what? Those of you who also would have bet the flop, do you call a push?

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

I personally like the play, particularly if you think the PFR will C-bet this most of the time.

Not sure what we are afraid of here. If we are seeing mosters and aren't willing to felt this over a C-bet and a cold call (which may well be a draw or pair+draw), then I am not sure what to say.

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seriously why would you ever just call here?

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I would have bet the flop. As played, I would just call here because I now doubt I have the best hand, but I can improve and I might get more info on the turn. I'd shut down on the Qs.

Is everyone getting it all-in here no matter what? Those of you who also would have bet the flop, do you call a push?

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If i lead ofcourse i call a push. I'm very likly to have the best hand now and if i dont i probebly have outs.

Re: 100NL: 99 hits set on scary board
 

So what was the question exactly ? Does a c/r is better than leading/3betting ? Obviously if you think someone will bet the flop nearly allways, I say yes, you are trapping more money while cutting the odds for nearly anykind of drawing hand (and allowing them to make a bigger mistake calling). OTOH if you think that most of the time vilain will raise if you lead I still prefer a b/3bAI. That's quite read dependant.