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I love country music and the Dixie Chicks. The last album, HOME, was their best.

I live near Lubbock, Texas and get their radio and TV. This morning the talk shows were polarized and angry in their debate over the Dixie Chicks. Lubbock has a Walk of Fame for famous area folks like Buddy, Holly, Bob Wills, Waylon Jennings, Roy Orbison but more folks you have not heard of. They won't put Natalie Maines on the Walk of Fame even though she grew up there in Lubbock. None of Lubbock's radio stations will play the Dixie Chicks. They won five grammies and were at the mic five times. They were polite and didn't say anything too controversial.

I support them 100%. Lloyd Maines, Natalie's father, is a dear friend of mine and has been for thirty years. Natalie continues to make tens of millions of dollars. Hooray for her.

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What has she done personally to support our troops?

I mean she is one of those who proclaims the fiction "I oppose the war, but I support the troops", isn't she?

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What has she done personally to support our troops?

I mean she is one of those who proclaims the fiction "I oppose the war, but I support the troops", isn't she?

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Do you struggle in life? If your brain can't hold that you can support your armed forces but be against the war the politicians sent them to fight. Not a powerhouse you have up there is it?

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Like a vast majority of Americans, I suspect she's done absolutely nothing to personally support our troops.

I'm just kidding. I take that back. Some heroic and selfless Americans have sacrificed valuable back windshield/bumper space to put yellow ribbon bumper stickers on their car proclaiming their support for the troops and commanding others to do the same. Maybe she put one of those yellow ribbon bumper stickers on her car, too?

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They're so brave. The dixie chicks, I mean.

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My GF loves them and I actually enjoyed their PBS concert. The contraversy in Texas and across the nation is a fascist technique to stifle dissent.

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What has she done personally to support our troops?

I mean she is one of those who proclaims the fiction "I oppose the war, but I support the troops", isn't she?

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Pavlovian response.

Notice how all BGC contributes are red herrings to derail discussion.

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Well, she supports the troops by way of the millions of dollars of taxes she probably will have to pay this year on their album sales to fund an illegal and unjustified war.
Anyway they must be good, because people in my family who usually hate country listen to their new album and enjoy it. I guess they are still totally blacklisted by most country stations, despite making what is presumably high-quality country music. This supports previous theories that people who listen to country are intolerant conservative hicks.

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Why do people insist on talking about these brainwash topics?

The Dixie Chicks made some statements that weren't too smart given the climate at the time and the general tendancies of their core fan base. I'm not saying they were right or wrong. It was just a bad decision. If you're an entertainer or a sports icon, the best thing to do is to keep your mouth shut on politics if you aren't prepared to face the ramifications.

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I heard them interviewed on Stern maybe a year ago and they seemed much less annoying than I would have expected. I got the impression they found the whole 'controversy' pretty ridiculous and they didn't seem to regret what they said at all.

I love the courage and bravery comments, good stuff. Tell me, how brave is George Bush?

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Funny thing is, many people are claiming their remarks were either acts of sedition or treason, pointing out that they were on foreign soil when they made the statements against the president...

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My GF loves them and I actually enjoyed their PBS concert. The contraversy in Texas and across the nation is a fascist technique to stifle dissent.

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You realize how silly this statement is? You are willing to defend the Dixie Twits right to expression by supressing my right to cricize them for their expression. You r dissenet is ok, and mine isn't? That is what you are saying.

They weren't jailed ... there was no governmental censorship ... they were able to continue to say whatever they wanted negatively about Bush and the war, call him all sorts of names, etc. Those of us who disagreed with them expressed our feelings by not buying their albums or going to their concerts and calling them names. Seems to me that this worked out for everyone - a great example of freedom of speech for everyone involved.

The only one I see stifling dissent is you.

NCAces

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Tell me, how brave is George Bush?

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Not very.

Tell me, what difference does that make?

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NCA, the free market of dissent is perverted when a major military contractor owns a big chunk of the media outlets.

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NCA, the free market of dissent is perverted when a major military contractor owns a big chunk of the media outlets.

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Why do you suppose the media responded by not playing their songs?

1. Being owned by a major military contractor, they were told not the play the music of "those traitors."

2. Because the fans that listen to their station, and are directly related to the advertising revenue, asked the stations not to play their music.

Please don't answer "1."

NCAces

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I love country music and the Dixie Chicks.

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Beat.

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Why do you suppose the media responded by not playing their songs?

1. Being owned by a major military contractor, they were told not the play the music of "those traitors."

2. Because the fans that listen to their station, and are directly related to the advertising revenue, asked the stations not to play their music.

Please don't answer "1."

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Sure. Just like all "news viewers" are suddenly demanding wall-to-wall coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's refrigerator, (rather than news on the Iraq War and Bush's impending invasion of Iran).

Yes, clearly this is all just the "free market" at work.

Now, go back to sleep.


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Tell me, how brave is George Bush?

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Not very.

Tell me, what difference does that make?

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None, so it makes about as much sense as the relationship between bravery and a group of country singers.

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What has she done personally to support our troops?


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What have you personally done to support the troops?

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Not very.

Tell me, what difference does that make?

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None, so it makes about as much sense as the relationship between bravery and a group of country singers.

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Sounds about right to me.

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What has she done personally to support our troops?


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Well, she has been villified, threatened, and driven off the air for opposing the war. Protecting our soldiers from the neocons is the best way to support the troops, and the chicks have done more, and sacrificed more, than most of us.

What have you done to support the troops?

Since the troops gave up their rights when they signed, it's up to us civilians to get them out of the drink.

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Sure. Just like all "news viewers" are suddenly demanding wall-to-wall coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's refrigerator, (rather than news on the Iraq War and Bush's impending invasion of Iran).

Yes, clearly this is all just the "free market" at work.

Now, go back to sleep.



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During the 2-3 days immediately after her death this was all anybody in my office was talking about around their cubes.

People like tabloid gossip BS, always have, not everything is a huge conspiracy. It's cute you think WE'RE in the dreamworld and your paranoid fantasies are reality.

Might wanna look out your window, that car parked on the street looks REALLY suspicious...

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Sure. Just like all "news viewers" are suddenly demanding wall-to-wall coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's refrigerator, (rather than news on the Iraq War and Bush's impending invasion of Iran).

Yes, clearly this is all just the "free market" at work.

Now, go back to sleep.



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During the 2-3 days immediately after her death this was all anybody in my office was talking about around their cubes.

People like tabloid gossip BS, always have, not everything is a huge conspiracy. It's cute you think WE'RE in the dreamworld and your paranoid fantasies are reality.

Might wanna look out your window, that car parked on the street looks REALLY suspicious...

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I would suggest that it's a little bit of both. When the people find out what really happened in government, it will be the greatest story ever told. People will be absolutely glued to it.

The "top story" is always relative. Remember Condit was the top story for months, then 9/11 occurred and we never heard the story again. As far as the vast majority of people are concerned, there's not a problem right now so we're back to another Condit-type story. The free market is demanding it because the other stories have not been "priced in" to the market yet.

The border issue is being heavily "pushed" by large groups of people into the alternative media and it is just the tip of a very large iceberg.

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The Dixie Chicks didn't say a lot of things that were critical of Bush as one writer said. They have mostly re-acted to the boycott and bad things said about them. Natalie Maines is one of great friends daughters and will always be that first to me. Why is one of the greatest singers expected to be really smart about politics???

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Why is one of the greatest singers expected to be really smart about politics???

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Who's expecting this? Nobody made her open her mouth about it. Nobody asked. If she didn't want to get herself into the discussion, all she had to do was keep her mouth shut.

If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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What has she done personally to support our troops?

I mean she is one of those who proclaims the fiction "I oppose the war, but I support the troops", isn't she?

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Do you struggle in life? If your brain can't hold that you can support your armed forces but be against the war the politicians sent them to fight. Not a powerhouse you have up there is it?

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the 101st fighting Keyboardists are at again - LOL -

I have their new album - bought it last year after hearing them on Storytellers - it's pretty good - I liked that line from their single a few years ago "Long Time Gone"-

they got money but they don't got Cash - a reference to the Nashville radio industry who was loaded but didn't have Johnny Cash in their airplay, despite Johnny winning a few Grammys in the 90's - Then a few years later, a band that Country radio ignores out of spite wins all these Grammys for what is still essentially, a Country album - I suspect their crossover appeal has more to do with the politics then the lifestyles of the new fans - there is irony there that is not lost on me -

but god forbid independent women should voice dissent - shnhhh - shut up and sing and wear something low-cut and tight

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and then to top it all off, the evidence in retrospect shows Natalie was WAY ahead of the curve in her assessment of the chimp-in-chief - awesome.

RB

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If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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In the USA I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be allowed to criticize the president without having your life repeatedly threatened by a bunch of yahoos.

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If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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In the USA I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be allowed to criticize the president without having your life repeatedly threatened by a bunch of yahoos.

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If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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In the USA I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be allowed to criticize the president without having your life repeatedly threatened by a bunch of yahoos.

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Yeah, I am pretty sure that in the USA us yahoos are allowed to criticize those who criticize the president. Kinda neat how that works.

NCAces

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Just like Bill Maher made the comment and was villified for it. 1 year later many are saying it.

Bottom line Great album that Country radio will not play.

They paid big in Album sales. But like the one chick said if they never spoke out the album would never have happened.

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Dixie Chicks = hot, hot, hot

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If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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In the USA I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be allowed to criticize the president without having your life repeatedly threatened by a bunch of yahoos.

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Yeah, I am pretty sure that in the USA us yahoos are allowed to criticize those who criticize the president. Kinda neat how that works.

NCAces

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Criticizing =/= death threats lol

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If you use the far reaching microphone you get as part of celebrity for political ends, you must expect to be placed under the microscope. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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In the USA I'm pretty sure you're supposed to be allowed to criticize the president without having your life repeatedly threatened by a bunch of yahoos.

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Yeah, I am pretty sure that in the USA us yahoos are allowed to criticize those who criticize the president. Kinda neat how that works.

NCAces

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Criticizing =/= death threats lol

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You think? And how many death threats do you think they really got? The issue isn't death threats, which of course is wrong and for which the perpatrators should be tracked down and prosecuted. You all are whining because they were criticized ... which I am perfectly entitled to do and will continue to do. Or do you agree that it was the military industrial complex behind it? Talk about lol.

Stop laughing long enough to think.

NCAces

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You think? And how many death threats do you think they really got? The issue isn't death threats, which of course is wrong and for which the perpatrators should be tracked down and prosecuted. You all are whining because they were criticized ... which I am perfectly entitled to do and will continue to do. Or do you agree that it was the military industrial complex behind it? Talk about lol.

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You keep saying "criticized", but if they just got some criticism it wouldn't have even been newsworthy. In addition to death threats and other forms of intimidation and harrassment, there were also organized boycotts/record burnings/etc. on the part of pretty much the entire country music community.

Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. But it certainly doesn't say much for what the average country music fan thinks of free speech.

Of course you can say "Shut up and sing", but would the country fans have said that if the Chicks talked about how proud they were of the great job our commander in chief is doing? They'd probably get a parade and a place of honor in the Texas Hall of Fame. It's ok to talk politics as long as you stick with the majority.

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Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. But it certainly doesn't say much for what the average country music fan thinks of free speech.

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I believe they would be exercising their own free speech by condemning them, no? Should no one criticize anything anyone says in order to escape the wrath of people like you?

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Of course you can say "Shut up and sing", but would the country fans have said that if the Chicks talked about how proud they were of the great job our commander in chief is doing? They'd probably get a parade and a place of honor in the Texas Hall of Fame.

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So what if they did? Should they not be allowed to express such opinions? If you just don't agree with the country music industry's reaction, that's fine. But stop with the melodramatic "ZOMG free speech oppression!!!" already.

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You think? And how many death threats do you think they really got? The issue isn't death threats, which of course is wrong and for which the perpetrators should be tracked down and prosecuted. You all are whining because they were criticized ... which I am perfectly entitled to do and will continue to do. Or do you agree that it was the military industrial complex behind it? Talk about lol.

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You keep saying "criticized", but if they just got some criticism it wouldn't have even been newsworthy. In addition to death threats and other forms of intimidation and harassment, there were also organized boycotts/record burnings/etc. on the part of pretty much the entire country music community.

Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. But it certainly doesn't say much for what the average country music fan thinks of free speech.

Of course you can say "Shut up and sing", but would the country fans have said that if the Chicks talked about how proud they were of the great job our commander in chief is doing? They'd probably get a parade and a place of honor in the Texas Hall of Fame. It's ok to talk politics as long as you stick with the majority.

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Re-read your post and seriously try to understand what I am saying. I don't think you understand what free speech means. On one hand you say that the fans are entitled to their free speech and then you criticize them for exercising it. I don't know how to tell you this other than to say that everyone here was exercising their free speech rights ... the Dixie Twits, the country music fans, and the radio stations. The only people who are arguing inconsistently with free speech are those like you who are maligning the country fans because they happen to take exception to what the Twits had to say, and what you appear to believe. That isn't the way free speech works. You get to exercise yours, I get to exercise mine, whether you agree with it or not.

Of course the outcome would have been different if they were in support of George Bush. Last I checked, country music fans tend to be a little over the top in support of all things military, and they are clearly a nationalistic lot. Nothing wrong with that in my mind. So, you are the Dixie Twits and you go out and basically insult the core beliefs of your main fans. Then they did it again, and then they did it again. What the hell did they expect to happen?

They got what they deserved, and I hope they are proud of that ... and I mean it. Good for them to stand up for what they believe ... even though I disagree with them, and choose not to listen to their music (I sneak in a song or two from time to time), I respect them for doing so.

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You realize how silly this statement is? You are willing to defend the Dixie Twits right to expression by supressing my right to cricize them for their expression. You r dissenet is ok, and mine isn't? That is what you are saying.

They weren't jailed ... there was no governmental censorship ... they were able to continue to say whatever they wanted negatively about Bush and the war, call him all sorts of names, etc. Those of us who disagreed with them expressed our feelings by not buying their albums or going to their concerts and calling them names. Seems to me that this worked out for everyone - a great example of freedom of speech for everyone involved.


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Ummm... cities had to consider cancelling their concerts because of the threats on their lives. When they did peform they had to have the cities police coordinate their security because of the endless deaththreats.

The fascists we're talking about are the kind that threaten to kill people who disagree with them.

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You are ridiculous. The right wing loonies threaten others lives. No one on this forum does any such thing.

Your rhetoric is ridiculous.

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When THIS is posted:
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NCACES response....
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I guess this nutter thinks that threatening people's lives is the same as free speech.

End any chance of rational speech with this guy.

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"Dixie Twits"...

Why does every Bushie sound like a high school student?

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kurto: if we declare you the "winner" of this argument, will you shut up already?

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kurto: if we declare you the "winner" of this argument, will you shut up already?

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No.

By the way, as a general rule when someone has 4 posts, I don't think they're starting out right in the forum just telling people to shutup.