50NL baluga theorem here?
 

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BB ($50)
UTG ($68.90)
MP ($49.25)
Hero ($111.45)
SB ($32)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4, SB folds.

Turn: ($14.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $19.5</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $42

villain was 21/21/3

Re: 50NL baluga theorem here?
 

No. Baluga theorem is - if I got it correctly - smooth call on the flop, (check)raise (mostly all in) on the turn means while you have been the aggressor throughout the hand: your top pair is no good.

Do you have any reads on villain? Your hand is good for a showdown. An overcard just hit. Why do you bet that turn? Have you been floating people a lot lately at this table?
I just check behind and call a reasonable bet at the river.

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Sometimes I'll RR PF, but my standard is to call. I'd usually check behind on the turn, nothing you beat calls and nothing that beats you is folding (well maybe TT). If he checks to you again on the river, then bet.

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I would check behind because I don't want to build a big pot and reevaluate river.

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Do you have any reads on villain? Your hand is good for a showdown. An overcard just hit.

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I agree, checkity check and probably call most river bets.

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Why do you bet that turn? Have you been floating people a lot lately at this table?


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I would probably check behind anyway even if I had been floating, because villains usually won't know a float actually is float, and our hand isn't strong enough to stand a turn c/r with the overcard in there.

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Why do you bet that turn? Have you been floating people a lot lately at this table?


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I would probably check behind anyway even if I had been floating, because villains usually won't know a float actually is float, and our hand isn't strong enough to stand a turn c/r with the overcard in there.

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I meant to say that if op had been floating a lot lately, he shouldn't bet that turn because there is a bigger risk to get check/raised by a somewhat attentive player and we certainly don't want that because we might actually have the best hand.

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bet flop, C/R turn is generally a very strong line.

I'd check the turn behind too.

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Anyone have any insight into why these guys check check raise? I think they usually have big hands, but its just... I dont get it.

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This guy here bets and then check raises. In general they think it's a sexy trap. They see it on TV and think it's a balla play. That's it. Considerations like growing a pot with a strong hand etc. are not part of their thinking.

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Anyone have any insight into why these guys check check raise? I think they usually have big hands, but its just... I dont get it.

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Because the longer they slowplay a big hand, the more they milk you. Standard.

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This guy here bets and then check raises. In general they think it's a sexy trap. They see it on TV and think it's a balla play. That's it. Considerations like growing a pot with a strong hand etc. are not part of their thinking.

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I'm not exactly disagreeing with you here, but you are not giving enough credit to the villian. I mean, a bet then c/r is a very powerful tool against floaters and other aggros. Used wisely this is a line that can slow down an opponent, and make your oop drawing hands more powerful. The threat of a turn c/r will often buy you a free card against TP type hands that don't want to get "Baluga'd" off a showable hand. On a single-hand level, it may not be the optimal line, but on a metagame level, it is much more than a 'sexy trap.'

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Anyone have any insight into why these guys check check raise? I think they usually have big hands, but its just... I dont get it.

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Because the longer they slowplay a big hand, the more they milk you. Standard.

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he didnt slow play. he raised pre.. bet flop...he milks me more by betting turn. Standard for who?

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Anyone have any insight into why these guys check check raise? I think they usually have big hands, but its just... I dont get it.

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Because the longer they slowplay a big hand, the more they milk you. Standard.

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he didnt slow play. he raised pre.. bet flop...he milks me more by betting turn. Standard for who?

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I know that's not what happened in the hand, was replying to the question. I forgot the sarcasm tag, please excuse the oversight.

To answer your question, standard for donkey.

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sorry, I should have said.. bet check..check raise...thats what I meant

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Nothing wrong with a stackadonk, it works a lot.

I like to run one early in a session, then revert to pot,pot, push.

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My .02.

If we assume that villain has overcards on the turn, then I don't like the idea of giving him infinite odds to catch his 6 outer. I do agree that better hands will call and worse hands will fold but I'm fine with winning a 29BB pot here.

Since villain has a PFR of 21 then the overcard assumption is probably way off and if villain is behind he may be drawing to only 3 outs so then the turn check idea makes much more sense to me.

There are many things to consider i.e., is villain tricky enough to c/r the turn, will he bluff rivers on a miss, will he never bluff rivers on a miss, will he call river bets with weaker pairs etc.

I do agree that the turn check was best vs this opponent and as played I like the fold.

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i love re raising in pos. with a hand like 99.