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This week, it's "Talking Heads" week as the lineup features 6 poker commentators:

Michael Konik
Phil Gordon
Howard Lederer
Chad Brown
Mike Sexton
Gabe Kaplan

An interesting group, although I personally hope that Konik's not around too long.

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I, for some reason, like Kaplan on this table.

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the table for already ripping into Norman Chad 5 minutes into show.

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I'll take Lederer.

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Lederer seemed bewildered by Sexton's reads on his hand with Brown but he was closer than anyone.

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Is it me or is Chad Brown ripped?

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Where is the 54 this time Gabe, where is it?

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Last night's episode was really entertaining. There are people in another thread about this week that thought the line-up was terrible, that the table would be boring, but it's definitely not. And Konik plays much better than he commentates---although, come to think of it, it would be just about impossible to play worse than he commentates.

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Is it me or is Chad Brown ripped?

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It also helps that he wore a shirt about a size to small, but yeah he looked jacked.

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this is really good table talk.

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Does anybody have any explanation for lederer limping with TT in the small blind? I cant figure out what he was trying to accomplish.

I think he made a horrible laydown after brown pushed all in. The only way to have a good chance of winning is getting a big stack early on, and I think the lederer should have been able to put brown on the two overs and called. He definitly calls if he knew what brown had, which apparantly sexton had a better read on.

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fels krone,

He was limping with TT because I believe 3 others had already limped in. With all those guys in there, he could raise and someone or many others could call (his pair would be ugly multiway) and have position on him after the flop. Heck, the BB or anyone else could have a hand and reraise him. Thus, he was ready to relegate himself to going for a good set.

Chad probably put him exactly on that quality of a hand...the JJ-88 range. most likely TT or 99. AK AQ ...howard probably would have raised. The way it was played it seemed like a pocket pair-ish hand. Knowing that was probably the hand Howard was on, Chad knew he'd have a good chance to get howard to fold...and if howard called he would be a coin flip and probably see all 5 cards.

On howard's end, a raise on bb is a sign of real strength. Usually even with a good kq suited...you want to check and cut off the betting.

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On the Lederer/Brown hand, I can see why Lederer just called, but i really didn't like the reraise. Why? Because if he thought it through he would have realized that Brown was now in a great position to push him off his hand. Think of it this way... the only hands that Lederer limps with, but now raises with are AQ or a medium strength pair. The hands that likely call the push are AK/AA-QQ and all 4 of these hands would have raised PF. I think Howard's raise was bad and Brown made a great read/play.

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He said (pretty much) after the hand that if he called and three low cards came out, he wouldn't be sure of where he stood but would have to think his TT was good. By reraising, he could find out where brown stood and avoid that situation.

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Plus, nobody wants to go out in the first hour. If this were not televised then Howard probably calls there.

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He said (pretty much) after the hand that if he called and three low cards came out, he wouldn't be sure of where he stood but would have to think his TT was good. By reraising, he could find out where brown stood and avoid that situation.

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My point was that by raising, he pretty much gave Brown the go-ahead to push, so by raising he wasn't going to see 'three low cards'. Now Brown didn't have to push, but it made a lot of sense and was a great play. I just thought that Lederer would have thought it through and realized the situation (I limped with 4 players already in the pot and now I'm reraising, what hand does Brown now think I have? -- the answer, exactly the hand you have, hence the reason why Gordon was so sure of the TT read).

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Very entertaining show. Five of the guys come across as very personable. And they can play some. The other guy is trying to impress and act like he belongs in that company. The five "real guys" are cutting him some slack, although one is giving him a little needling that I'm guessing is going over his head.

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for the record, phil did a terrible job reading the chip counts. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Does anyone know when they put up the evening's show on the web site for streaming?

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Michael Konik is trying to impress and act like he belongs in that company. The five "real guys" are cutting him some slack, although one is giving him a little needling that I'm guessing is going over his head.

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Howard finally caught a break. The tilt is wearing off.

UPDATE: Michael Konik is the worst "pro" poker player ever

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the way he talks i get the impression that mike sexton must have had his nose completely up stuey's ass when he was alive

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the way he talks i get the impression that mike sexton must have had his nose completely up stuey's ass when he was alive

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He was a speaker at his funeral.

Also, there was some WSOP special done on Stu in which Sexton cries while being interviewed about him.

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how come phil gordon is being a dbag to lederer at like every opportunity? is there some history there i dont know about?

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What a gutsy move by the professor.

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I'm waiting for them to put up the Tuesday show on the web site. I'm just about ready to give up for the night. I haven't had a TV for about 12 years. Maybe I should get one.

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I am impressed by the quality of poker so far. Exceeded my expectation. The reads have been solid - Gabe, Phil (with his rebluff of Gabe on 4th street), and of course Sexton. Mike has always been a very good poker player in my view. Very solid. Chad made a heck of a read to outplay Howard w/ KQ vs 10-10. Well done.

Howard looked a bit rusty initially - the chips looked a little foreign to him but then he warmed up. The hand vs Gabe was world class - he "bluffed" every street with 10 high.

Give Gabe credit for reading weakness in Howard's flop bet and trying to make a move by leading on 4th street. But the fact that Howard saw through it and could smooth call the turn bet knowing he'd have to then "value bet" the river (and expose more chips). Wow. Very well done.

That was simply top notch. I would never believed Howard had air there without seeing his cards. Talk about using position...

Also, don't know about ya'll but I enjoyed the discussion about Stu. And, yes, from what I read and heard, Sexton was very found of Stu.

How could you not like Stu? If you haven't read the book, it is worth reading. If you are like me, you'll appreciate and like him more after reading it.

Great show - really good show. well done. I enjoyed watching.

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Although I've played poker with Mike Sexton only a few occasions and don't know him personally, I seem to always get a little offended when criticism goes his way like this.

He's a gentlemen, a good poker player, and one of the best ambassadors for our game. His commentary of the WPT final tables is succinct but always still preserves the dignity of the players.

In short he is a class act. He obviously loved Stu. Anything wrong with that?

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If there were some way I could mute only Phil Gordon I probably could have watched more than 10 minutes of this one. Somebody let me know when he shuts up or gets busted so I can resume watching.

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jesus i had no idea phil gordon is such a complete and total douchbag. He comes off as an insecure little girl who wont shut the f up. He is my new most annoying poker player. I cant stand him.

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I really enjoyed the Mike Sexton-Shana Hiatt reunion interview. Did anyone else wonder if Mike had his hand on Shana's ass the whole time?

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Phil Gordon is usually a dick while playing - just watch the shooting stars WPT event he won (or don't, actually).

That last hand with Howard and Gabe was hilarious:

Howard button raises, Gabe calls in BB.
Dead flop.
Gabe checks, Howard c-bets, Gabe calls with nothing to bluff turn.
Dead turn.
Gabe bluffs, Howard calls with nothing to bluff river.
Dead river.
Gabe checks, Howard bluffs, and Gabe folds.

Highly entertaining battle of wits and situation analysis.

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Phil Gordon is usually a dick while playing - just watch the shooting stars WPT event he won (or don't, actually).

That last hand with Howard and Gabe was hilarious:

Howard button raises, Gabe calls in BB.
Dead flop.
Gabe checks, Howard c-bets, Gabe calls with nothing to bluff turn.
Dead turn.
Gabe bluffs, Howard calls with nothing to bluff river.
Dead river.
Gabe checks, Howard bluffs, and Gabe folds.

Highly entertaining battle of wits and situation analysis.

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That was a great hand and these episodes are all great. I thought poker after dark was going to be another stupid TV Poker show and its turning out to be as good as high stakes poker.

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Its the tournament version of HSP. The play is worse but the table talk is better.

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definitely enjoyed the table talk last night, especially when it turned to the topic of Stu Unger.

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This is by far the most entertaining group yet at a PAD table. And I loved the Stuey Ungar stories.

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I was having a hard time following Gabe's comments about the last hand when Stu won his last WSOP. Something about the cameras getting a shot of Stu noy knowing what his exact hand was and then the show editors leaving it out because they didn't think most of the viewers would understand.

Dies someone know what exactly he was talking about here?

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He only looked at the lines when he peeked at his cards so he didn't know exactly what he had - but knew it was either an A4 or A5 based on the number of lines visable. Gabe felt that back then the poker audience wasn't sophisticated enough to understand the reasoning behind why a pro would bet without knowing his exact cards.

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Humor me please.

What do you mean by "the lines"?

I'm looking at every set of cards I own and I can't think of anything that would make me sure I had a 4 or a 5, but not a 6.

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If you cover the number in the corner with your finger, and flip the card up enough so only the very edge of the first column of pips are visible, a 2 and a 3 are "zero across", a 4 and 5 are "two across", a 6, 7, 8 are "three across" and so on.

Thus, if he saw two across, he knew it was a 4 or a 5.

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A five will also have a spot in the middle, but you won’t be able to see that without picking up more of the card. Also, if you put your thumb in the right place, you cover up the number 4 or 5. This way you know your card is a 4 or 5 but are not sure which. The camera must have caught Stuey doing this, but they didn't want to show it.