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McDirk 02-13-2007 01:40 AM

Middle pair, big river bet
 
Villain is running 29/11/2 over 125 hands. I've seen him make this play twice on other players: once he had the nuts, once a busted flush draw. I've got position on villain and am trying to play stack-a-donk.

50NL blinds, .25/.50
Hero ($85)
Villain ($240)

Villain (UTG) raises to $3.00
Hero calls in MP with (Td Ts)
Rest of table and blinds fold.

Flop (Jc 2c 6d)
Villain bets $8.
Hero calls $8.

Turn (2d)
Villain checks.
Hero checks.

River (9s)
Villain goes all in ($229).
Hero ???

Cry Me A River 02-13-2007 01:41 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
IMHO, stack-a-donk is not really an option with middle pair.

Stack-a-donk generally involves villain with an overpair, and you have a set or better.

Cry Me A River 02-13-2007 01:44 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
BTW - I fold this river. I'd need a huge read on villain to call, and 50/50 is not it.

Etric 02-13-2007 02:32 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
I had a hand like this earlier today and I called. After the hand I wanted to punch a wall, not because I lost, but because I played the hand like an fool and literally GAVE away my whole stack.

Learn from my mistake and fold with confidence.

ninjadanger 02-13-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
IMHO, stack-a-donk is not really an option with middle pair.

[/ QUOTE ]

JJ, 66, 22 checks turn as well. Just muck it up and curse the sky that u will never know...

Javanewt 02-13-2007 11:00 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
Should hero have bet turn?

ontiltsoon 02-13-2007 11:06 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
I think the check is fine.
A bet would have made the pot quite big for your little hand to handle, and the board is quite dry so a free card is not bad. It also induces villain to bluff.
I would have called a 10$-12$ bet on the river. But I fold to the push.

Mazzinger 02-13-2007 11:39 AM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
I would have made a "value" bet on the turn to see what villian does.

Mazzinger 02-13-2007 12:07 PM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
It looks like villian had a marginal hand since the beginning. That all-in move at the end looks like a desperation move. Almost like he didn't want you to call. I would have call a smaller bet. I fold to the big push.

OMGTILTING 02-13-2007 12:34 PM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
easy fold on the river. Wouldent even consider calling one second witouth a good read.

I bet turn alot do.

pterodactyl_ 02-13-2007 12:43 PM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
Definite river fold. I like checking the turn through for pot control.

viper930 02-13-2007 12:48 PM

Re: Middle pair, big river bet
 
you cant stackadonk in position sir. stackadonk is when you c/rai when you think the villain is going to float. first derived in 6m where you'd have an overpair and expect villain to have some sort of top pair hand that they cant fold.


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