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pokahpaul 02-11-2007 10:17 PM

50NL is this an AI situation?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($96.30)
Hero ($50.90)
BB ($51.05)
UTG ($26.25)
MP ($124.40)
CO ($50.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3, Button calls $3.

Flop: ($14.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $32.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

no reads on villain, seems solid

barryc83 02-11-2007 10:20 PM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
Yes go AI here, too much in the pot to fold. If he has a hand like JT you're a slight fav here. He will have 222/555 here some to but you gotta felt this.

Hank Scorpio 02-11-2007 10:24 PM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
Think I'm gonna have to put villian on something nice like a set here so I'm not counting your overs as outs.

There's around $57 in the pot and it's $22.5 to call (2.5 to 1). Odds of a flush are 1.78 to 1. If you do call you're commited, mine as well push when your equity is at its peak.

Rollos 02-11-2007 10:25 PM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
Yup. Sorry you didn't crack villian's set.

.KeviN. 02-11-2007 10:58 PM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
im pushin AI all day with a smile on my face

Hank Scorpio 02-11-2007 11:00 PM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
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im pushin AI all day with a smile on my face

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Why, you're an underdog?

homanga 02-12-2007 01:31 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
Yes push, lose some win some

pokahpaul 02-12-2007 04:25 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
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Think I'm gonna have to put villian on something nice like a set here so I'm not counting your overs as outs.

There's around $57 in the pot and it's $22.5 to call (2.5 to 1). Odds of a flush are 1.78 to 1. If you do call you're commited, mine as well push when your equity is at its peak.

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so you're saying its best to push first in?

prodonkey 02-12-2007 05:10 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
He's saying after he raises you.. u move in. You have virtually no fold equity but your only other option is to fold.. and with the pot size, and odds you are getting you really can't do that.

Lordy 02-12-2007 08:35 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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im pushin AI all day with a smile on my face

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Why, you're an underdog?

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Villain doesn't have a set here always. We're a slight favorite over JJ-QQ, and are ahead of oesd+fd (43dd)

ama0330 02-12-2007 11:23 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
I could find a fold here. The problem is that if you push, you are probably only being called by a monster, so the critical point of this hand is not what to do on the flop but assigning a range to villain. Flop is relatively simple push or fold, but you should only push if you think you are ahead of villains range because you probably have about zero fold equity.

So against an unknown or a solid player I would fold this.

BobAllinSki 02-12-2007 11:47 AM

Re: 50NL is this an AI situation?
 
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I could find a fold here. The problem is that if you push, you are probably only being called by a monster, so the critical point of this hand is not what to do on the flop but assigning a range to villain. Flop is relatively simple push or fold, but you should only push if you think you are ahead of villains range because you probably have about zero fold equity.

So against an unknown or a solid player I would fold this.


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Good, if I thought villain could lay down a pair I would definately push, not because we are a favourite but if villain folds with JJ when he is going to win 45% of the time we profit big time.

The fact of the matter on this hand though is that a pair is not going to fold, there is just to much $$ allready in the pot, its all going in and there isnt any benefit to waiting, if villain had pushed instead of raising you would only need to win 36% of the time, as it is against TT you win 25% and against JJ-QQ you win 55%, JJ &amp; QQ are definately part of his range often enough to put you at more than 36% so you could call a push by villain, you can definately push over his raise, if he can find a fold with JJ then all the better.

Personaly I'd check the flop oop with 3 players left to act, your not going to take the pot down very often on this board, have no concerns with giving a free card and may get some very nice squeeze check raise opportunities if there is a bet and a call behind you.


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