For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Here is a hand that I played so badly it wasn't even funny. This is what happens when you get tired of betting your set and opponent folding on stars $10 nl tables. A great instructional example of someone (myself) using a slowplay in a poor situation. Even though all the villian has on the flop is a gutshot, Good argument against slowplaying here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($12.35)
Hero ($13.75)
Button ($14.10)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.95) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.3</font>, Hero calls $0.30.

River: ($1.55) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Final Pot: $4.55

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Th Kh (flush, ace high).
Hero has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins $4.55. </font>

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

really no point.
You raised PF and then check behind on the flop. You have to c-bet. If you want to be tricky you can c-bet really small. Then he might come over the top or something.
If he has nothing, you get nothing, its as simple as that. And since all you have is one pair, do you really want him to improve that much?
The only way to slow play it is if villain lead into us. Then you might be able to call and raise the turn, or if you OOP..

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Don't be too hard on yourself. We've all been there - flop top set and you want to get max value. Board didn't look scary yet. You should have raised the turn though. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

He had top set.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Seems to me that every time I used to slow play top set a guy ended up making some kind of draw or boat so now I never slow play top set. I might slow play trip Aces but only if there isn't a draw on the board. On this hand, I'd be betting a ton on the turn.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

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When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.

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QFT, Amen

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

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This is what happens when you get tired of betting your set and opponent folding on stars $10 nl tables.

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The solution is not to slowplay the set, its to elevate your aggression so that people want to call you.

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When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.

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QFT, Amen

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Brings a tear to my eye, it's so good.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Raise river please.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Why raise the river here? I suspect he has the flush, if he does he beats me, if he doesn't he folds. I played this hand poorly on the turn and the flop but the river is fine in my own opinion.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

Threadjack

So here is one where the guy against me slowplayed AA:

.1/.25 Blinds, $25 eff stacks

Villain is UTG
Hero is in the CO

Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain Limps
Hero raises to $1.25 (I was bullying the table at the time)
3 callers including Villain

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain Checks
I bet $4
All fold except villain who calls

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain checks, I check behind

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain checks, I bet $5 and he goes AI, I call and he shows Aces and my flush runner runners him.

I'm not saying I played this well, but he played this hand sooooo badly and immediately went on to yell obsenities in chat, called me a donk and left. Don't slow play aces, pre or post flop. If he bets out at all I'm out of the hand.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

I would have check the flop too, but with the turn card making a flush draw and villain betting, I would shift to defense mode right away. Then evaluate things come river.

Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set
 

I would have raised to .5 (4xBB + 1 per limp).

I really don't think a flop check is that bad since we have the board pretty much crippled. No matter what you need to raise that turn.