$400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

Unknown villian.

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Button ($95.80)
SB ($113.30)
BB ($463.60)
UTG ($703.10)
wpr101 ($394)

Preflop: wpr101 is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">wpr101 raises to $52</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $36.

Flop: ($110) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, wpr101 calls $40.

Turn: ($190) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $120</font>, wpr101 folds.

Final Pot: $310

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

I would raise the flop and go allin vs unknown.

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I would raise the flop and go allin vs unknown.

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Assuming you're willing to get all in here, isn't it better just to call down?

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isn't it better just to call down?

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When I raise they always think I am bluffing.
I think I can win more from crap one pair hands by raising than by calling. It maybe off but I play that way recently and I am quite happy seeing crap they call down with.

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I would raise the flop and go allin vs unknown.

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He raised UTG though. Isn't JJ a hand he has here a lot? I could see raising to 100 on the flop and folding to a push... I don't know about playing allin here, seems bad.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

I dont think hes leading with a boat. I'd probably raise flop as well, i'm definitely paying him off if he has a better hand, and i think raising flop will generally give best results vs worse hands.

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punter,

when you raise they think you're bluffing enough to shove here? wow, what 2/4 are you playing?

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wow, what 2/4 are you playing?

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The answer should be obvious but just in case its Party Poker.
Recently I am playing more 3/6 and 5/10 though where they have even less respect for my raises :-)

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

I was the villian, tourney donk trying to learn cash. Please don't berate the fish next time man. We all knew he was dreadful.

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As for the hand - I didn't think you'd fold aces there that's for sure!

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Anybody got more comments on this one ?
I honestly think folding is pathetic.

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yeah, you gotta define the hand on the flop.

Raise him meaty...like $110 ontop of 40, so he is 2-1 to call...if he just calls, scratch your head and hope to get out cheap...if he reraises all-in, then you gotta define his hand

KK? QJ? TT? 88? JJ? QQ? AQ?

you gotta figure he has a boat probably 50%

KK 30%

TT or worse 20%

figure your odds of winning and do the math from there

50% x 10%=5%
50%x90%=45%
5%+45%=50% chance of winning

so you need 1-1 pot odds to make the call

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

honestly, im going to showdown here.

such a weird flop bet by him. i have never seen anyone make this lead with trips/boat in a rr pot oop. so if he is, cool, i'll pay him off.

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honestly, im going to showdown here.

such a weird flop bet by him. i have never seen anyone make this lead with trips/boat in a rr pot oop. so if he is, cool, i'll pay him off.

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You've never seen someone make a weak lead with the nuts hoping to induce a raise?

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I was the villian, tourney donk trying to learn cash. Please don't berate the fish next time man. We all knew he was dreadful.

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Stop crying.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

stop being a douche?

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nh, i play it exactly the same. Those of you wanting to felt here seem to be neglecting villian's line. He opened UTG, called a rr, lead twice at a very scary board. I think it's safe to assume this isn't KJ/AJ all that often, but it could very easily be AQo+/JJ/KQs. In fact, villian's line is pretty good for extraction against most players if he does have monster here. Do you guys really think that this is a 2-barrel bluff or an idiot with KJ/AJ often enough given PF?

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

I'm going to showdown here. If you think he pays off, shoves to a flop raise with a worse hand then do that. If you don't think he doesn't then just call down and bet if he checks at any point.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

I'd also raise the flop here

I agree with almost everything punter says in general and this thread is not an exception

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stop being a douche?

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There is a reason that a lot of people think you are the worst mod on this site.

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nh, i play it exactly the same. Those of you wanting to felt here seem to be neglecting villian's line. He opened UTG, called a rr, lead twice at a very scary board. I think it's safe to assume this isn't KJ/AJ all that often, but it could very easily be AQo+/JJ/KQs. In fact, villian's line is pretty good for extraction against most players if he does have monster here. Do you guys really think that this is a 2-barrel bluff or an idiot with KJ/AJ often enough given PF?

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Yea I just can't see that many bluffs here by villian given the preflop action. Granted villian did say that he didn't expect me to fold AA here which leads me to believe that I was winning.

To those who say this in an easy push or calldown what legitimate range are we putting villian on here? We practically have to assume he is bluffing 100% of the time. I doubt he does this with TT, and KK might push pre.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

Cit,
wpr101 was on his HS wrestling team be careful.

wpr,
Are you really giving villain credit for donking twice with a queen or a boat?

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stop being a douche?

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There is a reason that a lot of people think you are the worst mod on this site.

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What does that have to do with you stop being a douche?

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stop being a douche?

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There is a reason that a lot of people think you are the worst mod on this site.

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What does that have to be with you stop being a douche?

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Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

wpr,

there's also reasons why many people think im' one of the best mods on the site.

pudge, others,

how would villain be supposed to play a hand with a Q in it or a boat?

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

FWIW I had JJ so nice fold. You're still a [censored] for berating the donkey tho.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

against some opponents i call down against others a turn fold is nice. nh

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is 2 4 so soft u can raise flop AND felt your hand AND be good enough of the time?

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I was the villian, tourney donk trying to learn cash. Please don't berate the fish next time man. We all knew he was dreadful.

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Stop crying.

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Stop being a douche.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

std

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Well, wpr since you do run at 10-3 I would use this line to extract from you with Qx,JJ, or, I may lead and check turn, and if you check behind crai on river when you value bet and put me on KK.

Re: $400 NL A simple AA fold.
 

This would be a terrible folds in the game I play. May be different on Stars.

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I run at 10/3?

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stop being a douche?

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There is a reason that a lot of people think you are the worst mod on this site.

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What does that have to do with you stop being a douche?


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Funny how you and Pudge never post in MSNL, but come to Cit's defense here.

Cit berates more people on these boards than anybody I've ever seen. But I guess it only annoys you when I say something.

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Huh? Where do I post then? You were being a douche with that "Stop crying" comment, and apparently you are a douche berating fish at the tables as well. Neither of these things have anything to do with defending Citanul.

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But I guess it only annoys you when I say something.

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This is partly true though, I have always found you annoying.

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The hand in question where I said something to a guy was when I got allin with QQ vs his AJ and he made a bad call. I'd also lost a previous hand to this guy where he hit runner runner. I said: "omfg, you are so lucky". Then villian from this hand was like: "shhh, be quiet". And then he brings it up again here when it wasn't a big deal in the first place. And it's not like it matters at all.

...I've never seen you post here before but I guess I'm wrong. You've never responded to any thread i've created before but this one.