AK NL400
 

First hand of the session, no stats/reads at all

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $70</font>, 2 folds, SB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($168, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $48</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $330</font>, SB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($828, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $828)


River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($828, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $828)


Results:
Final pot: $828




Standard?

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I dont like the flop push, why dont just fold? I think a non retarded SB almost always have you beat here.

Re: AK NL400
 

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Standard?

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yeah we all hate money, so we try to get the most money in we can get in with A high.

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nice turn

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Maybe shouldn't have included SB's action, but seriously, don't we have a ton of FE in this spot?

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Maybe shouldn't have included SB's action, but seriously, don't we have a ton of FE in this spot?

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Several OPs and combo draws will call.

There is FE, but not a TON.

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nh.

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I usually hate this spot, but I cant let him take the pot with his gay flop bet. Why do people give up so easily. Fold Equity, 6outs, everyone really hate a shove?

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just fold the flop

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I usually hate this spot, but I cant let him take the pot with his gay flop bet. Why do people give up so easily. Fold Equity, 6outs, everyone really hate a shove?

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You don't have 6 outs all that often.

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just fold the flop

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Against that weak of a bet I think folding is a bad idea. I'm about 80/20 on floating/shoving.



Edited because the more I think about it the more I don't mind the shove.

Re: AK NL400
 

Very nice play, just don't make it a habbit. Although I'm not sure if your flop AI is going to move your average 2/4 player. If he has Kings or better, the hand is going to play it self. But if he has Jacks or under, I think most 2/4 - 2/5 players call here. I still like the play, I'd definately fold on the flop without KK+.

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i like it better w. A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but yeah, i think its fine.

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pushing is fine. calling is the only thing i wouldnt do

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first, think about the hands that people call a raise in the sb with and then call a BB reraise. then, look at the board. then, think about the fact that the sb is leading into the BB who reraised the preflop.

you need a lot more fold equity against his range than you think.

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If you assume villain only calls preflop with JJ+, AK
and he only calls postflop with JJ+.
56% you'll be called postflop and you have 18% equity against JJ+.
called post and win... 56% x 18% x $498 = $56
called post and lose 56% x 82% x -330 = -$151
villain folds... 44% x 216 = $95
95 + 56 - 151 = ZERO [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If villain only does this with QQ+ then the equity goes up a little bit. If he will do it with worse pairs, then equity goes down.

Someone please check my math.

I would think a fold is better, just from a variance standpoint, and depending on how many pocket pairs villain is likely to have called with preflop.

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i think villains range should includes sets/ 56s, and we should also assume he will call with 1010 cuz he is a donk

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pushing is fine. calling is the only thing i wouldnt do

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Really? So are you shoving sometimes and folding the rest? Or is it just a shove and that's it?

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i think villains range should includes sets/ 56s, and we should also assume he will call with 1010 cuz he is a donk

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Yes. He flatcalled after a raise and a call. Unless hero is really squeezehappy I wouldn't put him on a big hand preflop here.

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I dont like the flop push, why dont just fold? I think a non retarded SB almost always have you beat here.

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His pf action combined with his 48 donkbet into a 170 pot kinda indicates he's no genius. Also, 77 doesn't "beat" me here.


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nice turn

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Nope he had 99

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i think villains range should includes sets/ 56s, and we should also assume he will call with 1010 cuz he is a donk

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Imo ppl who donk into these pots very rarely call a push. His bet, to me, really looked like he was looking for an excuse to fold. Obv I was wrong hehe


I still like my push though, folding is so weak

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His pf action combined with his 48 donkbet into a 170 pot kinda indicates he's no genius

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IDIOTS DONT FOLD

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Also, 77 doesn't "beat" me here.

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this word "beat"... i do not think it means what you think it means.

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this word "beat"... i do not think it means what you think it means.

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Even donks fold 77 here, no?

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GLMaestro, usually flop donkers will fold once they donk, but I see it more in HU raised pots rather than re raised pots.

Re: AK NL400
 

standard

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this word "beat"... i do not think it means what you think it means.

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Even donks fold 77 here, no?

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Wouldn't count on someone who decided to call preflop and donking the flop with 77 to fold here. Everything he has done so far in this hand is putting you on AK and playing accordingly, why would he stop now?

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You can't estimate fold equity vs a total unknown, wait till your HUD loads stats next time. As played muck to his bet, I see no reason to assume we have a lot of fold equity. We can't count on the combo draws folding nor can we assume the smaller op's will fold without more information.

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i dont like it, if unknown is decent, he's likely to have AA/KK and figured to mix thing up by trappping pfr since it looked to get heads up (not great play from sb, but happens). In this case your play is bad.

If unknown is bad, which seems more likely from pf and flop action, he's much more likely to call with whatever bad mid pair he has as he 'can beat your ak."

Basically, it goes back to raising one gay bet from donk a hand, then shutting down. In this hand, i think villains pf action counts as you having raised donk once, now he donks again, i shut down and fold.

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he's likely to have AA/KK and figured to mix thing up by trappping pfr since it looked to get heads up (not great play from sb, but happens).

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Huh?