jaime gold = spew
 

$5000 on the river? wtf, he's owning himself

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He is a bad poker player

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I'm gonna miss what was far and away the worst HSP table thus far:

Seat 1: Mike Matusow
Seat 2: Jamie Gold
Seat 3: Daniel Alaei
Seat 4: Sean Sheikhan
Seat 5: Victor Ramdin
Seat 6: Gabe Kaplan
Seat 7: Bill Chen
Seat 8: Doyle Brunson

And the fact that the table has 2 great players and is still that juicy is pretty sad.

HSP table selection = obv rigged

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Absolutely horrible plays tonight, not even remotely in the ball park of +EV.

He needs to use some of that money he won to pick up Theory of Poker.

It is fun to see him distributing that WSOP ME money back to the poker world though.

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P.S. How scary is it that Gabe Kaplan can sit at a table on High Stakes poker, and there's 3 players you could easily make a case for that are worse than him at the table?

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Did anyone else notice that every time Gold would bet out and get called, then Gold would not show his hand. Gold would simply say you have me then wait until the player that called him would show the winning hand. The Player that called should have waited until Gold showed his hand before they showed their winning hand. Gold was trying to hide his cards and not give any information on what he was playing. The player that was last to initiate the action is obligated to show his hand first. Cheap amature trick that the classy pros were letting him get away with.

3Beers.

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Let me just say holy [censored] there was some bad poker on there tonight!!!

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He did this in the WSOP ME too, he'd bluff and get called and immediately say "You got it, I got nothing" and wait until the other guy showed and then just muck.

As nit'ish and bad as it might make me look, I'd demand he show if he was obligated to do first. I'd do this over and over and over again.

Gold is a talentless, classless douchebag.

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Did anyone else notice that every time Gold would bet out and get called, then Gold would not show his hand. Gold would simply say you have me then wait until the player that called him would show the winning hand. The Player that called should have waited until Gold showed his hand before they showed their winning hand. Gold was trying to hide his cards and not give any information on what he was playing. The player that was last to initiate the action is obligated to show his hand first. Cheap amature trick that the classy pros were letting him get away with.

3Beers.

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Have you ever played live poker before?

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Are you serious? Get a clue buddy.

Three Beers

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Are you serious? Get a clue buddy.

Three Beers

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People throw their hand in the muck after a bluff like all the time. This is completely standard.

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I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot

however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc.

and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks.

If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low.

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I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot

however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc.

and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks.

If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low.

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Player B has to show his hand no matter what to win the pot on HSP.

Edit- This is evident last season I think when Phil Laak had to turn over his hand after his opponent had mucked to win the pot. I think Laak had TT.

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I completely agree with you. Each of the other players should have asked him "are you folding?" If yes, then the dealer could push the pot. if not, then Gold should show his hand. Gold has the complete right to fold his hand, but not to try and act like a nit to eek out some little amature play. I typically have no problem when a player pulls this move once or twice, but when it becomes chronic, I may call them on it.

ThreeBeers

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I agree, Player B (the Caller) would have to show his hand to win the pot. But if Play B shows his hand that would have otherwise been a loser then player B should enjoy the benefit of Gold having folded. That is why Player B should ask Gold if he is folding. Player B should have the benefit of being able to fold his hand if Gold shows a hand that beats his.

ThreeBeers

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When a fish is at your table, handing out money, and you like the fact that he is handing you money, you may consider letting him bend the rules a bit on showing his bluffs.

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But that is not what Gold did. Gold whould hold his hand until the player that called would show his hand. As I stated, I would have no problem if Gold had in fact mucked his hand and player B (the Caller) then showed his hand to take down the pot.

Three Beers

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I agree with this point. However, my dislike for Gold taints my opinion of him. I have closely followed the ongoing litigation (to the point of having read all of the filed pleadings and realted documents). Including Gold's deposition.

Three Beers

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wait what ended up happening with the litigation stuff

i was kind of annoyed that matusow implied that everyone at the final table fell for jamies antics. seven out of the eight other players were eliminated by him. seven.

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Jamie Gold has done nothing wrong here. Jamie is not bending the rules; he's not attempting to angle shoot. This is so standard in live games that I don't even know why it's a subject of discussion.

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I say let Jaime do anything he wants, say anything he wants, pull any cheap trick he wants.

As long as he leaves his money on the table before he goes home.

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wait what ended up happening with the litigation stuff

i was kind of annoyed that matusow implied that everyone at the final table fell for jamies antics. seven out of the eight other players were eliminated by him. seven.

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By the transitive property that eighth player may very well be the best in the world. If he would only step out of the shadows and identify himself.

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wait what ended up happening with the litigation stuff

i was kind of annoyed that matusow implied that everyone at the final table fell for jamies antics. seven out of the eight other players were eliminated by him. seven.

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By the transitive property that eighth player may very well be the best in the world. If he would only step out of the shadows and identify himself.

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you have no idea how i badly i wanted to play in the show after i watched it today

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I disagree with you but that is ok. He has every right to attempt and get the calling player to show his cards. I was simply saying that I would not allow him to try and pull his little trick on me time after time. Again, the way it happened is as follows:

It would be the river and Gold would bet and the Player would call. Gold would hold the crads in his hands not showing the cards and would say a little speech like "you got me" and would wait for the calling player to show his hand before Gold would muck his hand. Gold could muck his cards and the Calling player would have to show his hand to win the pot. But, as it played out, Gold could wait until the Calling player showed his hand and if the hand was an inferior hand, then Gold could show his hand and take down the pot. However, the Calling player is calling and as a result has paid for the information of what range of cards Gold is playing (and betting) with. The Calling player is allowing Jamie to protect the information that the Caller is entitled to see. This is not a situation where the caller was not showing his hand, here Gold (the player that last initiated the action) would not show his hand and the Caller has paid for it.

With regard why it is a topic of discussion, it is because this is a poker forum where like minded people enjoy discussing such matters. I have no problem if we disagree, I was just commenting on an observation. If you look at the other posts, they all agree that I am correct, but given the circumstances may handle it differently than me. I particularly, liked the one poster who would let a losing player continue to pull his little move so as not to disuade him from playing so badly.

Three Beers

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The last thing that has happened is that the Judge denied Gold's petition to dissolve the Temprary injuction that ordered the Rio to continue to hold the $6.1 million.

Three Beers

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Doug, do you think you are as good a player as JG? The entire final table seemed very amateurish aside from a few of Cunningham's reads.

Also: How many races/suckouts would you guess you survived to make the final table?

Thanks, Dave

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Why the hell does it make any difference if Jamie holds onto his cards until the other guy flips his hand? The result of him mucking is EXACTLY the same. It is a breech of etiquette for the calling player to ask to see Jamie's hand.

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Doug, do you think you are as good a player as JG? The entire final table seemed very amateurish aside from a few of Cunningham's reads.

Also: How many races/suckouts would you guess you survived to make the final table?

Thanks, Dave

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after watching today, i have no doubt

me > gold

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after watching today, i have no doubt

me > gold

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Would you give us an idea of how many coin flips, races, overpair situations you survived to make it to the FT?

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about a billion

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Why the profanity? Did I offend you by discussing this issue? However, to your question, it matters becuase (as I noted in my previous post) the Calling player has paid for the information of what cards Jamie is playing and betting. As I am sure you are aware, it is the player that last initiated the action that is obligated to show his hand. Follow this becuase this is the important part, Gold shows his hand then the Calling player is the one that gets the option to either muck his hand or show it. Jamie does not get this option. What would be a breach of poker etiquite is if Jamie had showed a winning hand and then Jamie asking to see the hand of the Calling Player.

Three Beers

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Why the hell does it make any difference if Jamie holds onto his cards until the other guy flips his hand? The result of him mucking is EXACTLY the same. It is a breech of etiquette for the calling player to ask to see Jamie's hand.

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Well not EXACTLY since GOld isnt showing his hand.
And if you're saying Gold isnt prone to angle shooting, then you havent been paying attention.

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gold, ramdin, chen and alaei don't belong in HSP. Good players but it just doesn't feel right.

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gold, ramdin, chen and alaei don't belong in HSP. Good players but it just doesn't feel right.

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I see one good player in that list.

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Man, I'll put up my left nut as collateral to get money to play on that table. I'd put up both nuts for a seat to the left of Gold. That was one horrendous string of plays we've been subjected to. The only positive is that it's nice to see Gold being cut down in size.

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Backhanded compliment of the day:

Matusow: "I don't care what anyone says, Jamie Gold is a gentleman and a nice guy."

Kid Poker twists the knife: "Who says anything else about him?"

Everybody else at the table bites their tongue.

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I agree this is common behavior in live games and it's not angle shooting per se and it's also not unethical, it's just a low thing to do (if done on purpose, sometimes it's simply ignorance).

You are basically hoping to get information without giving information.

The showdown order rules exist for a reason.

Obviously if they want to let him slide on it that's their decision (because like others have said, you wanna keep him happy at the table donking off chips) but he's a douche for trying it.

When HU and you bet and your opponents calls you, you should do one of two things immediately

1. Table your hand
2. Muck your hand, thus hiding what it was, but giving the pot to your opponent no matter what he actually has and he is under no obligation to show.

If your opponents wanna let any other behavior slide, that's fine, but those are simply the showdown order rules.

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Did anyone else notice that every time Gold would bet out and get called, then Gold would not show his hand. Gold would simply say you have me then wait until the player that called him would show the winning hand. The Player that called should have waited until Gold showed his hand before they showed their winning hand. Gold was trying to hide his cards and not give any information on what he was playing. The player that was last to initiate the action is obligated to show his hand first. Cheap amature trick that the classy pros were letting him get away with.

3Beers.

[/ QUOTE ]thats poor etiquette. I would hope these guys would know better.

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I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot

however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc.

and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks.

If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low.

[/ QUOTE ]No its not low. Go to any cardroom and its a very common procedure that when a guy thinks hes beat he'll just say "I think you have it" and the other guy will show and then he'll muck.

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But that is not what Gold did. Gold whould hold his hand until the player that called would show his hand. As I stated, I would have no problem if Gold had in fact mucked his hand and player B (the Caller) then showed his hand to take down the pot.

Three Beers

[/ QUOTE ]seriously, not trying to be offensive, but I must ask the same question that someone else asked you:

Have you ever played live before? If so, how much?