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Someone mentioned this in the OOT thread about fighting Serena Williams.

Who would win Venus and Serena vs. Federer

consider the following situations.

Doubles court
Singles court
1/2 Doubles court 1/2 singles court.

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Federer is fast and skilled enough to win all these handily IMO.

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Federer loses them all.

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Federer loses them all.

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You agree that in a regular singles match that neither sister would ever win a game off Federer right?

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Federer would lose handily.

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Connors will play with the handicaps of being allowed just one serve per point and having to cover a court widened by half of each doubles alley.

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And a retired Connors defeats Martina who had reached the Women's semifinal at Wimbledon a few months earlier in straight sets.

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Federer loses them all.

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You agree that in a regular singles match that neither sister would ever win a game off Federer right?

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I agree that Federer - along with most of the men's circuit - would crush them in a singles match (though anything can happen in an isolated game here or there).

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I don't see how the girls could break him. They'd return very few serves.

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Federer loses them all.

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Yep.

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Federer loses them all.

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You agree that in a regular singles match that neither sister would ever win a game off Federer right?

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I think everyone will agree that in a 3 set singles match Federer would obliterate either one 6-0 6-0, but that wasn't the question.

I don't think the Williams' win easy or every time in a match like this but I think they win more than they lose. Assuming of course that they are both healthy and playing good tennis. Something Venus hasn't really done in several years.

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ESPN should set this up.

HUGE Ratings!

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ESPN should set this up.

HUGE Ratings!

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and if Serena/Venus manage to win, they can say Women are on the same level

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ESPN should set this up.

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and if Serena/Venus manage to win, they can say Women are on the same level

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No, if Serena/Venus win, it's oh nobody can overcome the handicap that Federer had to deal with. And if they lose, omg, women suck.

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basically women have nothing to gain from this event. at the same time the only thing federer has to gain is to completely shame women. i don't see this match ever happening.

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Federer would destroy each sister individually. But palying two people is just not really fair.

Two Williams' would beat Federer handilly. He'd be running his ass all over the court and they'd be chilling

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Federer would destroy each sister individually. But palying two people is just not really fair.

Two Williams' would beat Federer handilly. He'd be running his ass all over the court and they'd be making stupid unforced errors and losing anyways

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isn't the power difference something sick like 15-20mph on the serve and prob 10-15 on good returns??

like some highschool guy having to go out and hit against Santana

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isn't the power difference something sick like 15-20mph on the serve and prob 10-15 on good returns??

like some highschool guy having to go out and hit against Santana

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When I played tennis in high school, varsity players were routinely serving around 115-120 mph. The top ATP pros serve at about 150-160 mph. I'm pretty sure that women serve in the low 100's at best.

That being said, Federer probably can't break a point, but might win on his serve simply due to unforced errors and crappy returns that he easily puts away.

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Federer wins on everything but doubles court.

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The top ATP pros serve at about 150-160 mph. I'm pretty sure that women serve in the low 100's at best.

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Roger Federer serves, typically, around 125 mph. He peaks around 130 mph.

Andy Roddick has the fastest ever recorded men's tennis serve at 156 mph.

The Williams sisters have highs of 125 mph for Serena and 127mph for Venus.

The fastest ever recorded women's tennis serve is 130 mph.

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I'm not sure why most think Federer would lose. We used to call 2 on 1 "Irish Doubles" and found that the single player was the one with the advantage. So I say Federer easy on a singles court with the sisters on a doubles court. And I'd tip Fed to win the other two also.

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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You're a big time idiot.

She "might" make a few of the NAIA men's teams. Guys who're a buck 30 would overpower her and are much more agile.

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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This is hilarious. She would loose to the top 100 6-0 6-0 or 6-1 6-1 in pretty much all of the matches. A 115mph serve is nothing for a professional mens player. People for some reason think that Serena has all of this power compared to some of the men, when in reality the men hit so much harder on a consistent basis. She also has no were near the quickness that the men have.

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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LOL. And I guess the women deserve equal money too?

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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this is a joke?

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Fed is too sick, he rolls here. Fed is only a slight dog to Jesus Christ, unless Jesus is coming off a long layoff, in which case I would take Fed.

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Fed is too sick, he rolls here. Fed is only a slight dog to Jesus Christ, unless Jesus is coming off a long layoff, in which case I would take Fed.

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Federer vs Ditka on grass in a 5 set match, who wins?

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Several years ago there was a reference in an article about how when Serena was saying she should move to the men's tour, some guy ranked over 100 offered to play her in a casual match to try it out. They said after being blanked in one set she quietly quit.

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in a HU match would Serena win if her winning a single point = a game

so if Federer was up 40-Love and Serena won the next point, the game would go to her

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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I'd like to pile on and say this made me lol. It might be a match if you spot Serena a 30-0 lead in every game, otherwise she'd be embarrassed by Federer.

And also the story about Serena challenging anyone on the men's side was this: she and Venus challenged anyone ranked below 200 on the men's tour to a match. Some guy that nobody's ever heard of (ranked like #205 or so) accepted and beat them both handily, I think 6-2 over Serena and 6-1 over Venus (or vice versa).

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At the Bollettieri Tennis Academy in Florida, teenagers are trained to become professional tennis players. They are put into groups based on skill level, doesn't matter if they are male or female. But there's one thing that is quite noticeable, the top six groups of 8-10 players are exclusively male. The seventh group has one girl, who just turned pro. And she's playing against guys that are struggling to make division one college tennis.

The top three groups play against professionals regularly. When playing men, they almost always lose, but the top group, consisting of kids that are expected to eventually be high on the circuit, win their share of matches against the men.

Them playing professional women players, on the other hand, is another story.

The top group rarely plays any of the women, because they are simply too easy to beat. Sixteen and seventeen year olds beating professional women easily? Shocking? How's this:

A few months ago, Maria Sharapova won Wimbledon. The day after, she went back to Bollettieri to train. A few days later, she played a kid from Italy, fourteen year old prodigy Giaccimo Miccini. He split sets and she quit.

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Scansion,

Nothing new. I'd take one of my petite male friends over some top ranked women.

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Honestly I think the Williams sisters would have a great chance here. I get more frustrated than just about anyone when people talk of women competing with professional male tennis players, but a setup like the one suggested is extremely advantageous for any two reasonably skilled players.

The deficit between the sheer power with which the Williams sisters hit the ball as compared to a professional man is not that large. It's mainly their court coverage, consistency, and precision that's nowhere close to any professional man. Putting two against one neutralizes these weaknesses to a large extent.

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i don't think serena williams, at her peak of a few years ago, is that big a dog to federer. he still has a big advantage, but i think she could compete on the men's tour, though she would be in the lower half of the top 100.

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I'd like to pile on and say this made me lol. It might be a match if you spot Serena a 30-0 lead in every game, otherwise she'd be embarrassed by Federer.

And also the story about Serena challenging anyone on the men's side was this: she and Venus challenged anyone ranked below 200 on the men's tour to a match. Some guy that nobody's ever heard of (ranked like #205 or so) accepted and beat them both handily, I think 6-2 over Serena and 6-1 over Venus (or vice versa).

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With Serena getting 30-0 every game Federer still wins 6-0, 6-0

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I'm not sure why most think Federer would lose. We used to call 2 on 1 "Irish Doubles" and found that the single player was the one with the advantage. So I say Federer easy on a singles court with the sisters on a doubles court. And I'd tip Fed to win the other two also.

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Can you explain why the singles player has the advantage? Because I was leaning towards the Williams sisters on all of these.

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Can you explain why the singles player has the advantage? Because I was leaning towards the Williams sisters on all of these.

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If Shaq in his prime went up against two star WNBA players, do you honestly think the WNBA players would ever come close? How could they ever stop him? The gap in athleticism between the sexes in basketball translates almost identically to tennis.

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Can you explain why the singles player has the advantage? Because I was leaning towards the Williams sisters on all of these.

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If Shaq in his prime went up against two star WNBA players, do you honestly think the WNBA players would ever come close? How could they ever stop him? The gap in athleticism between the sexes in basketball translates almost identically to tennis.

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It may, but I don't see how. In tennis having two people really makes it much easier to cover more ground, which goes a long way towards negating his speed, as well as conserving energy and such. In basketball, on defense anyway, it doesn't matter. Shaq is a beast, and unless you are allowed to use foreign objects two smaller not very talented women aren't going to be much better than one.

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Do either of the Williams sisters have an excellent net game? by excellent i mean on par with someone on the mens tour? If both Williams sisters stayed back, yea, they could cover more ground, but all of Federers strokes are arguably the best in the world. His forehand especially would just over power them, imo.

Also on serves. Yea Federer's serve isn't 150 mph. But he gets a lot of aces because he has one of the most disguised serves out there. Also his second serve has an insane kick to it.

I think this match would be an awesome one to watch, and would put money on Federer just because he does it all.