Ethics question
 

FT deep 15-30 table 4 handed. Player A is on the right of player B, leaves and comes back 20 seconds later to sit on player B's left.

Thoughts? Is the seat switching game mandatory if it's EV+? Is it just bad etiquette? Standard in live FR games?

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It's fine.

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Why can't player B stand up and sit back to the left of player A?

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it's fine if it's 4+ handed, is what i've heard and makes sense to me. shorter handed it just becomes musical chairs.

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TertraFlare: Player B can't stand up and sit back to the left of player A because there is no seat available to the left of player A.

TWP: Are you saying the only reason why you wouldn't do this is if player B can counteract? If so you just took the ethics part out of the question.

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it's fine if it's 4+ handed, is what i've heard and makes sense to me. shorter handed it just becomes musical chairs.

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Only if all three players are doing it, which is unlikely. Now heads-up is where it becomes a problem...

I say it's fine regardless. I love it when players decide that something is "unethical" - it is usualy because it is something that hurts their EV. Like that Prahlad thread a while back.

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TertraFlare: Player B can't stand up and sit back to the left of player A because there is no seat available to the left of player A.

TWP: Are you saying the only reason why you wouldn't do this is if player B can counteract? If so you just took the ethics part out of the question.

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in general, i think there is no ethical problem with changing seats. obv hu it doesnt make any sense. and 4-10 handed, i dont see any problems with it. maybe people would disagree 4-handed, i dont know, but i've seen other people say the same thing, so it seems to be fairly standard. but 3-handed, i wouldn't do it. the reason is two-fold. one, it is impractical. 3-handed, everyone can just keep jumping around and it will just become insane unless someone mans up and stops moving. and that leads to the second reason. since it could just go on forever, there is a decent chance that the person you move to get position on will not move. not because he doesnt want to, but because he thinks it's wrong or impractical to mvoe 3-handed. so that makes it unethical for you to move, since you're basically just taking advantage of the fact that he's being more mature about it than you are or whatever. so yea. i move 4-handed+ but not three-handed.

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TertraFlare: Player B can't stand up and sit back to the left of player A because there is no seat available to the left of player A.

TWP: Are you saying the only reason why you wouldn't do this is if player B can counteract? If so you just took the ethics part out of the question.

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in general, i think there is no ethical problem with changing seats. obv hu it doesnt make any sense. and 4-10 handed, i dont see any problems with it. maybe people would disagree 4-handed, i dont know, but i've seen other people say the same thing, so it seems to be fairly standard. but 3-handed, i wouldn't do it. the reason is two-fold. one, it is impractical. 3-handed, everyone can just keep jumping around and it will just become insane unless someone mans up and stops moving. and that leads to the second reason. since it could just go on forever, there is a decent chance that the person you move to get position on will not move. not because he doesnt want to, but because he thinks it's wrong or impractical to mvoe 3-handed. so that makes it unethical for you to move, since you're basically just taking advantage of the fact that he's being more mature about it than you are or whatever. so yea. i move 4-handed+ but not three-handed.

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I'll side with you if you can just get me the summer internship I wanted.

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It's annoying, tacky and insulting to the fish.

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a) this would never happen live because casinos let 3-handed action all of once a year.

b) if it were to happen...playing musical chairs and posting extra blinds = -EV

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a) this would never happen live because casinos let 3-handed action all of once a year.

b) if it were to happen...playing musical chairs and posting extra blinds = -EV

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b) But what if my seat is unlucky? Just ask for a new setup?

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this just happened to me today (at a 15/30 table so you might be talking about me). generally when i sit down, i try to sit down to the left of certain players. why should i get that right? i didn't mind at the time when the guy did it.

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i dont switch seats 4 handed or less, unless one of the players is a dbag and has done it lots to me in the past, which some have. in that case i have no problems switching seats on him.

but as a rule, i think its pretty ghey.

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I know you're talking about online. I can tell you how many card rooms handle it at mid and high stakes, just so's you know.

Five players or more, anyone can change seats. Four players or less, anyone can change seats unless one or more players object to the change, in which case the guy who wanted to move can't move. I've been in dozens of games that broke up when something like this happens: a guy who didn't know the rule went to make an innocent seat change, someone objected just because he can, and the mover just moved on out the door.

I've also been in dozens of four-handed games when my opponents were two rocks and a live one, and this happens: Let's say that when it's six handed, the live one is three to my left. Then the player on my left quits. After that, the player on my left quits. Now it's fourhanded and the live one is suddenly on my immediate left. This will not do. At that point, let's say I decide I would rather not play at all than play in this arrangement, so I change seats, and if anyone objects, I either leave without objection, which I'm totally fine and happy with, or I start to leave and they say never mind, come back, sit where you like. It's easy to get what you want. All you have to do is never do anything you don't want to.

I do not see any ethical aspect to this issue. Online, if the software allows you to quit and come right back in a different seat, then it is legal and ethical. At a casino, house-policy likewise determines what is "right" and "wrong."

Tommy