3/6:check-raised with second pair TK
 

notes on villain: valuebet set on 4flush board when ck to on river. limp A7s utg ck K x y flop vs bb who checked, checked turn with bdfd. raise K9o in CO ck rag flop. Didnt donk bluff river after stealer checked turn with a missed draw with no showdown value.

5 handed hero raises AhQh in CO, bb calls

flop KdQc2c
bb checks, hero bets, bb raises, hero...

how often are u folding a non club rag turn, how about a nonclub J or T? if ur calling down is there another line u should take besides call call call. if u call the turn are u calling any river or are u folding say the 9 of clubs?

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I'm only folding if like the Tc and then the 9c fall. So basically never. And I'm pretty much just calling down all the time.

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I would 3 bet the flop, bet the turn and, depending on the board, maybe value bet the river. Your PF raise could have been a steal for all he knows. A average player could CR the flop with a lot of hands you beat; a worse Q, JT, flush draw, pocket pair, maybe AJ or AT or maybe just air.

Lost Wages

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I would 3 bet the flop, bet the turn and, depending on the board, maybe value bet the river.

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I like this mostly because villain is so weak - I would only tend to VB the river if I improve though.

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I'm only folding if like the Tc and then the 9c fall. So basically never. And I'm pretty much just calling down all the time.

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same

Re: 3/6:check-raised with second pair TK
 

Villain being weak read is bad thing because of the whole ch/r thing on the flop. Even so, I'd need to see a showdown here.. cheapest way would be 3bet, bet, ch UI..

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I'm only folding if like the Tc and then the 9c fall. So basically never. And I'm pretty much just calling down all the time.

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I need a jpeg of a big thumbs up so i can just start posting that under my quotes.

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I would 3 bet the flop, bet the turn and, depending on the board, maybe value bet the river. Your PF raise could have been a steal for all he knows. A average player could CR the flop with a lot of hands you beat; a worse Q, JT, flush draw, pocket pair, maybe AJ or AT or maybe just air.

Lost Wages

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For this same reason, I don't want him to fold his weaker hands. I think a call down gets the most when we are ahead and loses the least when he has a K.

Re: 3/6:check-raised with second pair TK
 

Well it doesn't lose the least against a K unless the guy puts more bets in with a K. Meaning he would either have to cap the flop and lead the turn or call the flop 3-bet and check raise the turn. In general I think people just call down with KJ or KT on this board so you actually lose less when you 3-bet the flop (also not true if he donks the river).

Still doesn't make me like 3-betting very much.

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I'm only folding if like the Tc and then the 9c fall. So basically never. And I'm pretty much just calling down all the time.

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I need a jpeg of a big thumbs up so i can just start posting that under my quotes.

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In general I think people just call down with KJ or KT on this board

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That's true but there is a good chance (well...there's some chance) he donks the river as a WA/WB strategy. I def. agree with calling down.

Re: 3/6:check-raised with second pair TK
 

I like the 3-bet, bet turn, c/c UI river line.

but what happens if:
Hero 3-bets, BB calls(!), villain calls
turn: blank
BB checks

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I like the 3-bet, bet turn, c/c UI river line.

but what happens if:
Hero 3-bets, BB calls(!), villain calls
turn: blank
BB checks

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I think you misread this hand. BB is villian.

I like the 3-bet, bet, ch. UI line as well for a couple reasons. It is going to make some of those draws pay and it makes the BB think before check raising that he may get 3 bet. I also wouldn't take this line if villian is aggressive and may c/r turn. Then I like the call-down line.

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I think you misread this hand. BB is villian.


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you're right. sorry I screwed up.

and I like the rest of your post.

Re: 3/6:check-raised with second pair TK
 

If I 3bet this flop I am valuebetting this river. That said, I call down and bet if checked to.