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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?

Is is solely a problem of perception and society that some people believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt?

How does this effect the traditional roles of the mother and father?

We had a long discussion in class today about this exact issue, many did not see a problem and thought that many homosexual couples were more fit than some potential heterosexual parents, however both italians in my class ( I am in a spanish language class with students from all over Europe) felt that it was not natual to have two parents of the same sex and therefore it should not be allowed to happen. I am wondering what peoples thoughts and opinions are on the issue!

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I'm always curious to figure how people figure out what "natural" things are important.

Its not "natural" to spend 8 hours a day in an office building 20 stories high doing paperwork.

Its not natural to abstain from sexuality until one is married and then remain monogamous.

Its not natural to feel shame in our naked bodies.

I think people selectively use "natural" and put undue importance on things they deem as being natural or not. Also, many people call things unnatural which, in fact, are completely natural. (Homosexuality, for instance. It is consistantly found throughout 'nature.' It is completely 'natural.')

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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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Should ugly people be allowed to adopt? What if a woman has a real 'horse face.' Should she be refused adoption because kids are cruel. Kids who learn how ugly the adoptees mother is will ridicule them.

(btw- I believe they've looked at this in studies already and found no discernable differences.)

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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No.

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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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By this logic, ugly people or people with big noses shouldn't be allowed children because other kids will make fun of their parents. Kids will make fun of anything and everything. That's what kids do.

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Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?

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Let me see, two parents who are accepting of others and are sensitive. That could be a huge problem. Kids that are abused by opposite gender parents are much better off than kids with loving and generous same gender parents.

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Is is solely a problem of perception and society that some people believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt?

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You're not like me. You're different. I hate/fear you. You've done nothing to harm me or anyone else. It's your existance/lifestyle that I find offensive. Do I have a legitimate reason to hate you or is it just my perception?

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How does this effect the traditional roles of the mother and father?

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Hedging kids into traditional roles is the way it should be. Female auto mechanics should be illegal.

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I think preference should be given to married hetereosexual couples.

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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Definitely. I learned it from a straight, white, married male with kids, church camp counselor. Go figure huh? The drag queens from San Francisco simply were not around to teach me these things at the time.

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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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Children should never be subjected to ridicule for any reason. Childhood ridicule simply never happens to those with heterosexual parents.

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Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?

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Duh! Parental alcoholism/drug addiction? Religious brainwashing? Lack of consideration of the child? Etc....

For whatever reason, some heterosexuals seem to think that the mere fact of their heterosexuality and the "natural equipment" qualifies them to be "better" parents. My contention is that engaged and loving parents, no matter the gender, will raise kids to become productive and decent members of their society.

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"should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?"

Should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of diffrent races? or two parents with a great age disparity?

I once suggested on this forum that, since men are generally a-holes, two women would appear to be the ideal parent group. While I really think two parents of the opposite sex is the ideal parent group, we seem to be doing a lousy job of giving children families at all. A loving couple of the same sex would seem to me better than a lot of situations children find themselves in now.

I'd be curious to see how marriages of same sex couples hold up over time, in terms of how long they stay together and divorce rates vs. heterosexual marriages.

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...the ideal parent group...

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What is an "ideal parent group?" How do you define an "ideal parent group?

What do kids look like with an ideal parent group? Is the ideal parent group always heterosexual? Or, is it how the kids turn out? If the kid is gay and happy; but the parent is not; Is it successful? What if the kid is happy, but hates the parent?

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married hetereosexual couples.

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So, what you're saying is that by the biological virtue of being able to breed; that somehow, married, heterosexual couples are somehow more qualified to be parents?

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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Doubtful considering every gay person ever has always said it wasn't.
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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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This ridicule only would occur because our society is biggoted against homosexuals. You have to stop the process somewhere, and if you keep it illegal for homosexuals to adopt that stigma will always be there. Of course, I'd imagine most arguing against adoption would be in support of that stigma.
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Is is solely a problem of perception and society that some people believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt?


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Yes.
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How does this effect the traditional roles of the mother and father?


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None. Why would it?
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however both italians in my class ( I am in a spanish language class with students from all over Europe) felt that it was not natual to have two parents of the same sex

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What do they mean by natural?
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I am wondering what peoples thoughts and opinions are on the issue!

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Enter Stu Pidasso, who some how comes out of the woodwork every time a thread about whiteness, straightness, or maleness comes up.

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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Who cares?

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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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Should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of different races?

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Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?

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No more than with any other parents.

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Is is solely a problem of perception and society that some people believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt?

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Yes.

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How does this effect the traditional roles of the mother and father?

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Roles set up to keep women in their place? Hmm...

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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No

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Even if it isn't, should children be subjected to the ridicule that could come with having two parents of the same sex?

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It's up to the adoption agency. When people give up their children for adoption they would be able to choose between adoption agencies that do allow gay couples and agencies that don't. If nobody wants to give up their children to gay couples then so be it. My opinion is that if I had a child that I had to give up for whatever reason, I'd want him/her to go to a loving home, regardless of the sexuality of the parents. The alternative is being shuffled between foster homes or living in an orphanage. I would want to minimize the chance of this, so it would make sense for me to give my child to the agency with the largest possible availability of loving families, and that would be the one that included gay couples.

Incidently, if the child is abandoned, then obviously whichever adoption agency winds up with them would make the decision.

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Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?

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Dunno, but I doubt it.

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Is is solely a problem of perception and society that some people believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt?

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Absolutely.

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Is homosexuality a learned behavior?

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Depends on who you ask. Gays hate this position since it confers a measure of responsibility. They prefer to be hapless vicitms of a bad gene. My guess, it's some of both.

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Are there other long term development issues that could affect children negatively?


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Difficult to say. Small sample and such a huge motivation to bugger the research makes me skeptical of any study. Everyone has an axe to grind here.

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How does this effect the traditional roles of the mother and father?

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It trashes one of civilization's most successful developments in the last 50,000 years. Other than that, no worries.

I'm 100% comfortable with gay parents adopting gay children. I'm 100% in favor of gays adopting any child as a last resort. Other than that, I would prefer to err on the side of caution and would vote to prevent any gays from adopting str8 children.

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Depends on who you ask. Gays hate this position since it confers a measure of responsibility. They prefer to be hapless vicitms of a bad gene. My guess, it's some of both.

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So, while the genetic / environment breakdown for homosexuality is still up in the air, they can have no responsibility for their homosexuality with any percentage of said breakdown. For a simple example, is a crack-baby "responsible" for their addiction to crack?

Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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As a straight man, I WISH I WERE GAY, cause women are [censored] insane. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've strongly considered trying to have a relationship with a man despite ZERO attraction to men, but I'm just too attracted to women and unattracted to men to actually do it. If I could flip that switch to gay, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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As a straight man, I WISH I WERE GAY, cause women are [censored] insane. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've strongly considered trying to have a relationship with a man despite ZERO attraction to men, but I'm just too attracted to women and unattracted to men to actually do it. If I could flip that switch to gay, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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lol, this occurred to me right after I posted. It's actually better evidence for the non-existence of said switch. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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lol. Tom and Harry getting married and adopting a child has no affect on Jane and Joe getting married and having children.
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I would prefer to err on the side of caution and would vote to prevent any gays from adopting str8 children.

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What caution? That he might catch teh ghey?

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Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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As a straight man, I WISH I WERE GAY, cause women are [censored] insane. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've strongly considered trying to have a relationship with a man despite ZERO attraction to men, but I'm just too attracted to women and unattracted to men to actually do it. If I could flip that switch to gay, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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lol, hmk sure has rubbed off on you huh? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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It trashes one of civilization's most successful developments in the last 50,000 years. Other than that, no worries.



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Its amazing how many people continue to spout the same inane rhetoric though no one has ever made sense of it. Marriage is trashed?

Can someone let Heavily Armed know that his avatar is mocking him?

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Can someone let Heavily Armed know that his avatar is mocking him?

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I think an expert bbv poster needs to weigh in on just what level HeavilyArmed is working on.

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Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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As a straight man, I WISH I WERE GAY, cause women are [censored] insane. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've strongly considered trying to have a relationship with a man despite ZERO attraction to men, but I'm just too attracted to women and unattracted to men to actually do it. If I could flip that switch to gay, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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lol, hmk sure has rubbed off on you huh? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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huh?

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Really, the suggestion that someone would "choose" to be homosexual seems particularly stupid. If any rational person had the choice between flipping the switch between gay and straight, why would he ever choose gay?

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As a straight man, I WISH I WERE GAY, cause women are [censored] insane. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've strongly considered trying to have a relationship with a man despite ZERO attraction to men, but I'm just too attracted to women and unattracted to men to actually do it. If I could flip that switch to gay, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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lol, hmk sure has rubbed off on you huh? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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huh?

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HMK is very vocal about the flaws of the traditional roles of people in society and says the same things you said in your post.

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The reality of the situation is that there are many children who go unadopted. To prevent people from adopting based upon their sexual preference when there is no evidence that it detrimental is wrong.

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Depends on who you ask. Gays hate this position since it confers a measure of responsibility. They prefer to be hapless vicitms of a bad gene. My guess, it's some of both.

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I'm sorry, did you have some evidence you were going to present to back this up? I assure you most gays don't think of themselves as "hapless victims"