should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

Villian instantly minraised after I bet the turn.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2195
UTG+1: t1370
MP1: t2025
MP2: t2230
MP3: t1200
CO: t2660
Hero: t1635
SB: t2300
BB: t1630

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t150</font>, SB calls t125 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, BB folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t350, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t350, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t200</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to t400</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t1485</font>

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

you should I don't either and just had a similar hand happen to me in a 180 where I took the same line on a 1010xx board.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

I hate this. The min checkraise is way to often the "this'll trap him" and your draw beyond sucks and doesn't really have that much FE. Any idea what he min raises with?

This is why i always take the specific note of when a player min raises pre/post flop and whether it was a monster or not.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

TTxx Shaun. TTxx.

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and yea, idon't shove all in here with the T high. i dont think villain looks especially weak.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

sorry if my post was confusing 1010x flop x turn no FD I shover over his turn c/r with KJo. I generaly think people are FOS when they take the obv line that people used to take in cash games in a tourney. But more often its the good than the the 3bet shove will work.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

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Any idea what he min raises with?


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No. I have not played with this player before. Assume typical stars 100 player.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

bad play by you IMO (in the absence of a specific read). do you assume hes bluffing? why?

i think he's rarely bluffing. you still have a chance because he might fold a queen or a medium pp, but man, i wouldn't bet my tournament on it

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bad play by you IMO (in the absence of a specific read). do you assume hes bluffing? why?

i think he's rarely bluffing. you still have a chance because he might fold a queen or a medium pp, but man, i wouldn't bet my tournament on it

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I think he is bluffing because I don't think he would check a 2 or Q a 2nd time once the 3rd heart hits the board. He could have a flush I suppose, but I would expect him to think for a second about whether he should just call, or what amount to raise to.

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sorry if my post was confusing 1010x flop x turn no FD I shover over his turn c/r with KJo. I generaly think people are FOS when they take the obv line that people used to take in cash games in a tourney. But more often its the good than the the 3bet shove will work.

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nah man, i was just saying to use T instead of 10 when you're writing boards. T&gt;10.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

IMO, you played every street incorrectly:

Preflop: I fold this garbage. You have a decent stack, and the blinds are small. I see no need to get involved here.

Flop: Why did you elect to check from behind? Since you chose to raise with your garbage before the flop, you need to follow-through when your opponent checks and the flop looks like it missed.

Turn: I have no idea why you shoved, after the villain's check-min-raise. The min-raise is solely read-dependent; some players do it with the nuts, while others do it with middle pair or draws, etc. Others do it with all of their hands, so it doesn't tell you anything.

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Preflop: I fold this garbage. You have a decent stack, and the blinds are small. I see no need to get involved here.


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I have the button and an medium connector. A raise can't be that bad.

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I fold this garbage.

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follow-through when your opponent checks

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I have the button and an medium connector. A raise can't be that bad.

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It's not that bad. I simply don't think there's enough in the pot to get involved.

If you have a read that indicates the blinds will give up easily (either before or after the flop), that's a different matter.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

From my experience, the minraise in spots like this has usually meant a strong hand.

Re: should i respect this mini checkraise?
 

It's impossible to advise here because so much depends on timing and reads and the buyin and site but where I play, villain is FOS (in the sense that he doesn't have hearts or a boat) a substantial majority of the time here. However, your problem is that that doesn't mean he won't make a crying call with a better hand anyway.