Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

Hero: me (pastexpiry)
Badguy: THE_BAD_GUY

I would like people's opinion on whether or not THE_BAD_GUY was a donkey to call my all-in. I was low stack for a pretty long time and when I got AKo, I had to go all in as it was the best hand I had in several orbits, and I was in "Harrington's RED zone". [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]




Stage #623201143 Tourney ID 1389347 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit
$100 - 2007-01-28 19:59:26 (ET)
Table: 1 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - KRISM1 ($3395 in chips)
Seat 2 - THE_BAD_GUY ($2135 in chips)
Seat 4 - CONKY13 ($4135 in chips)
Seat 5 - TALONTHROWER ($5680 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIG WILL77 ($2460 in chips)
Seat 7 - PASTEXPIRY ($540 in chips)
Seat 8 - DESSERTLADY ($110 in chips)
Seat 9 - ZEIRAMPRJKT ($745 in chips)
KRISM1 - Posts small blind $50
THE_BAD_GUY - Posts big blind $100
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PASTEXPIRY [Kh Ad]
CONKY13 - Folds
TALONTHROWER - Calls $100
BIG WILL77 - Folds
PASTEXPIRY - All-In(Raise) $540 to $540
DESSERTLADY - Folds
ZEIRAMPRJKT - Folds
KRISM1 - Folds
THE_BAD_GUY - Calls $440
TALONTHROWER - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 3d Qc]
*** TURN *** [3s 3d Qc] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3s 3d Qc 5d] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THE_BAD_GUY - Shows [10d Qh] (Two Pair, queens and threes)
PASTEXPIRY - Shows [Kh Ad] (One pair, threes)
THE_BAD_GUY Collects $1230 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1230)
Board [3s 3d Qc 5d 8s]
Seat 1: KRISM1 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: THE_BAD_GUY (big blind) won Total ($1230) HI:($1230) with Two Pair,
queens and threes [10d Qh - P:Qh,B:Qc,B:3s,B:3d,P:10d]
Seat 4: CONKY13 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: TALONTHROWER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BIG WILL77 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: PASTEXPIRY HI:lost with One pair, threes [Kh Ad -
B:3s,B:3d,P:Ad,P:Kh,B:Qc]
Seat 8: DESSERTLADY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: ZEIRAMPRJKT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

Spend some time in the mtt forum.

Don't post any more bad beats.

Welcome to the forums!

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

His limp in early position is not atypical for a donk. Knowing this, it is not surprising he made this marginal call. My guess is that he didn't notice whether you were playing tight or not. He had a decent stack and said, "why not?"

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

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Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

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Just an FYI. It's considered bad form to post screen names of other poeple on the forums. There are tools available that can help you to get around this.

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Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

Who cares if this guy was a donkey? You should hope the game is filled with donkeys. The real question is whether you should have moved all-in with AKo when you were seriously short-stacked. It seems you should have moved all-in and hoped that the limper called with a worse unpaired hand. You made the right move. You should be happy that the guy called.

It's called gambling for a reason.....

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

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Who cares if this guy was a donkey? You should hope the game is filled with donkeys. The real question is whether you should have moved all-in with AKo when you were seriously short-stacked. It seems you should have moved all-in and hoped that the limper called with a worse unpaired hand. You made the right move. You should be happy that the guy called.

It's called gambling for a reason.....

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QFT. It doesn't matter if he calls once you make your play. At that point its out of your hands.

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

Agree with above... it's called Poker

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

Yes, he is a donkey. In other words, he plays about as good as the average player online, and better than the average player live. Does it really matter?

BTW - Good play on your part this hand. How did you manage to get into this situation?

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

I don't like his call w/ the Q here (esp. w/ with an early limper yet to act), but KJ or so would be enough for me.

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

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I don't like his call w/ the Q here (esp. w/ with an early limper yet to act), but KJ or so would be enough for me.

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Especially if you correctly read OP as a player with a clue about concepts like "Red Zone." At this point Hero is so short-stacked that calling with two honors doesn't seem too awful; there's a good chance QT is coin-flipping with A3s or something.

But he has no reason to know that you understand the Red Zone. From his perspective, you've been folding hands for hours and might have kept folding until you blinded out. So from that perspective I think it's awful.

DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly a cash game specialist for now.

Now, all that said, you shouldn't be waiting until the Red Zone if you get anything at all decent in the Orange Zone. At least that's my recollection of Harrington. It's hard to push that A8 with 7 BBL in your stack, but you probably need to do that. So if you've been folding decent hands the past couple of orbits, you're probably not adjusting your game sufficiently as your stack dwindles.

As many have stated, what does it matter whether the call was donkish or not? What if you were at the top of your range and he made a correct call and hit with six clear outs -- so what? All you can do is play it correctly. Sometimes you get the money in with AA, your opponent correctly gets the money in with KK, and your opponent wins with a set of kings. So what?

Re: Was this guy a donkey to call?
 

It was a bad limp and call. This is pretty common at the low buy in tourneys. They guy probably thought hmmm...I'll call I got big cards. Then you raised and he thought hmmm...I'll call I got big cards. What's worse is when you lose big hands that knock you out of the bubble or when your 3 handed where on average you are a 70% favorite and lose 90% of them over 30 sngs.